*raises hand slowly* Ooh, Ooh... I know this!! No seriously, I was correcting the OP because his rant incorrectly labeled Elop as an American bastard. Not North American bastard. Not Northern Hemisphere bastard. But American bastard... like the 50 states kind. That's like saying European culture when I'm only talking about Finland. Some folks play into pointed semantics of that sort when it comes down to nationalities. And besides... Elop's tenure at Macromedia/Adobe was longer than it was with Microsoft.