But this'll never be the forum for them; and us discussing them comparatively with Nokia's Maemo devices is consistent with the people, tone and name of the forum. I don't want to try and second guess what you're suggesting, but you're not making it easy - is it that TMO -> ITT (but what about the wiki, downloads, auto-builder, packages, bugzilla & garage?) would allow a) a clearer source of revenue and b) us to compete with xda-developers, androidpit, ...?