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Originally Posted by zimon View Post
I am repeating myself, but for those reasons I think it is crucial Nokia's first Meego device should have Dalvik VM so people could immediately have applications over the critical limit and it would lure developers and users from the Android-league.

I know some Qt-developers do not want this to happen, because they are afraid of competition, but I think it is only way Meego would succeed.
Isn' t that the route that Blackberry has taken with their tablet device recently? Some people in the industry are betting that this move is going to cheapen the Blackberry platform and just gives Android that much more credence and only provides better value for Android platform devices. It'll be a lot like the old days of owning a computer running MS/DOS versus DR/DOS or any one of the other DOS clones. You could use them--but everybody kept writing their software specifically against MS/DOS and they weren't very well guaranteed to run well anywhere else. That only bolstered confidence in purchasing something with MS/DOS and made everything else at least one notch less than ideal for running your games or applications. If Blackberry (or, in your case, Nokia) runs Android apps under a different OS and people get a taste of it, and like it more or less despite the glitches of running on something other than Android, they'll be far more certain that they'll want an actual Android device next time.

Despite the fact that I own and genuinely enjoy my Android experience, I'd rather like to see Blackberry and Nokia COMPETE and see if they can outshine in SOME kinds of innovations instead of just giving in and becoming yet another "ME TOO" platform. (ala Nokia's throwing in the towel on what they COULD have been ahead and cornered the market on today (Internet Tablets), instead they decided to slop together yet another "ME TOO" smart phone to compete with iPhone and Android... a market they were clearly NOT ahead of. Idiots.)

Originally Posted by kralde View Post
@Danramos:

The N900 can do things that the other phones cant do at the moment. Few androids can dual boot, even triple boot like the n900 (meego,maemo,android), also you can install ubuntu,windows....etc
Also it OS is 99 % open source...android its not comparable to maemo, android itd an OS for the common people, but with details and suppor for developers, but maemo its fully for developers. you cant compare android and maemo,never.
I'm quite sure there are at least several Android phones and tablets that can do exactly that (in fact, the $250 (now $200) Nook Color I hacked for my mom does that). Durrr. But that's beside the fact--as someone else put it, if you can have a stable and supported environment, that's worth a lot more than a sloppy, unsupported one.

I also dispute your figure of 99% open-source. Where did you get that figure from? I REALLY want to know. Did they open-source the calendar? The media player? What about the power system? Drivers? Seriously--where did you get that number? Last time someone compiled figures on openness in another thread on this very same forum, it looked like far less of Maemo was open-source than Android's OS. In VERY respect Android has far, far fewer OS-crippling dependencies on closed-source too (that is, you CAN replace closed-source with open-source in Android all over the place, but Maemo becomes broken when you try).

Originally Posted by ysss View Post
That's a really bad news for Nokia's MeeGo strategy.

You simply can't buy open minds...
For that matter, if they wanted to keep more Maemo developers, why are they looking internally inside Nokia anyway? Why not open-source the goddam thing already? Right?

Originally Posted by pelago View Post
According to http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/mee...ch/481793.html Hämäläinen Kimmo from Nokia specifically says that they are developing a "phone". This may be a slip, but this seems to be the first time someone has said "phone" rather than "device". Of course, this is not an official announcement.
It's not the first time they've done that: http://www.nokia.co.uk/find-products...andn900_228x96

Originally Posted by EzInKy View Post
Odd as this may sound to you, this is exactly why you should support open over closed. Forget commercial apps, they are a dead end in the long run. Companies exist to make money and to do so they have to take money from you. That is a win/lose proposition because as soon as your money becomes meaningless to them compared to the potential billions available from others they will drop you like a hot potato.
Except that the Maemo isn't open-source, it's open-core (it's not even open-development, as evidenced by all the portions that only Nokia can patch or fix as you can see from all the FIXED IN _NEXT OS_ and WONTFIXES, and so on, that the community hasn't even been allowed to see code for much less have access to the repositories to fix themselves FOR Nokia). MeeGo will hopefully end up being a different story but I can't help this sick feeling in the pit of my stomach after living out the last several years with a Nokia device and watching how they've treated us so far all while beating their chest about openness and giving back to the community.

Originally Posted by geneven View Post
We have seen how Nokia acts when it drops a device. If you want that experience with the N950, buy one when it's ready.

I predict that it will be harder to get fixes out of Nokia than ever. Before you have time to blink, Nokia will be focused on selling its upcoming Windows phones. When customers have complaints, Nokia will say that the N950 was designed as an experiment,
not as a smoothly working phone, and this was announced long before it was even released.

How are you going to argue with that?
Given Nokia's abysmal communication in the past, would it surprise you if they said some marketing-worthy drivel along the lines of, "STEP 5 of 5! THIS IS IT! Maemo is finally PERFECT! Buy them before they disappear!" Which is, of course, code for "end of line" and "last batch, buy 'em but you're on your own from now on... don't bother us about support."

Mark my words and watch. I've made predictions on here before that nobody wanted to take seriously and they've usually ended up panning out like that. :P

Originally Posted by zimon View Post
Especially because N950 seems to be "Harmattan/Maemo6" device and not "Meego" device. So, updates to Meego won't be supported if Nokia drops support. I'd advice Nokia to make N950 Meego-ready and get the "Meego" certificate. It would sell better, easier for marketing and people would rather buy when they know Meego will continue at least if Nokia won't.
Of course, you also won't be able to buy replacement parts, you'll need to ship your hardware in a box to who-knows-where all over God's creation so that you can be without your device for weeks to possibly months until it comes back... maybe repaired, maybe not, maybe replaced. No thanks. I don't trust Nokia any further anymore. I trust Nokia no more than I can talk face to face, in person with one of their employees or even a Nokia representative--which, so far even with traveling all over the US for years, has been never. I learned my lesson. Thanks, Nokia.
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