I guess people without experience of Top-level management believes that..."Walk the walk before you talk" - Dave999

thats the one thanks

The rest of the world has moved on and does not give a **** about what happened.

Its just raw business as usual.

And btw. do you think Elop give a ****? He has the money and we are the looser if we still cry about nokia dumped Meego.

In 2010 the smart devices division was profitable, check NOKIA's accounts. Sales were up, volumes were up, margins were up and ASP was up. The N8 was only just released in Q4 2010 so NOKIA had achieved those figures with very mediocre devices. Iirc N8 was the first Symbian device with separate GPU (but it still had a tiny processor and stuff all RAM). Perhaps NOKIA should have tried putting Symbian on some half decent hardware consumers might actually have wanted before assuming it was the problem.

As for MeeGo, whatever issues it had it was still > 12 months ahead of Windows Phone 7.

Also let's not forget in terms of revenue Ovi was bigger than the Android Marketplace back then.



Why not be the Android vendor rather than awarding Samsung that privilege by default? Only Elop forced NOKIA to put all their eggs in one basket.

As an aside, of all the Symbian manufacturers that migrated to Android back then, how many have been consistently profitable since?


A recent survey of UK smartphone users found the number 1 desired feature was long battery life. More than half of adult smartphone users in the UK had never installed a single app.

Tech bloggers seem to imagine platforms can't sell without a huge app catalogue to rival Android but real world data seems to suggest there are other things that prevent Windows Phone getting a foothold. Maybe it's just that most consider it fugly. That UI didn't go down well on desktops either, did it?

I think Smartphone enthusiasts and even industry insiders seem to have a rather distorted view of why some platforms succeed and others don't, for a sizeable percentage of consumers it's not all about apps. Many of my own family and friends have Androids but just because they're cheap, they don't give a monkey's bugg3r about Android or apps. If they could get a Tizen phone for the same price but with better battery life and camera then that would do fine, just as long as it's not fugly.

nokia coming..
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Nokia...h-2016_id70599

One would have to question who would take him on after what he has done with Nokia? This a damn site more high profile than his previous failed positions at other companies.

Microsoft is wise to let him go.
Once you have slowed down a horse (Nokia) by launching a parasite in its 4ss (Elop) , once you get on the horse's back it is not the parasite that will carry you.

In other words, when there is real work to be done, the last thing you need is Elop around.

Remember that he has killed the first enthusiastically acclaimed platform / phone prematurely in a year where the iPhone / Android tiredness was already setting in just by doing some smooth WP talking to a bunch of shareholders looking to cash in some bonuses during the Nokia to MS transaction.

Result is 4 years no progress (BB10 maybe a small exception) and ironically no WP reign either.

So true, just like they did not give a rats 4ss for Symbian, when it was all around.

Trust me, a LOT of companies will break their legs trying to get him in. I worked for such a company. The number of high ranking managers with a track record comparable with Elop's they hired was staggering. They all came, did as much damage as they could and left. Always praised to the heaven by the top management. The top management lives in a different world from the rest of us, never forget about that.