LOL
And still, his argument confirms what he is trying to rebut.
But imagine what kinds of malware it may have, a bare XP system with no updates in 8 years, not even SP1-SP2-SP3, connected to the internet.

i love it -made my day

How did he find this thread anyway? He must save this thread address for YEARS.

You realize you'll be waiting three years for a comeback?

I can't do that because 'windows' or what I refer to as 'Bugdows' needs 3 terabytes to hold various BSODs and another terabyte to hold viruses. I got an N800 for super duper cheap and it is fun to play with.

I'm not argueing. I'm correcting. It's false. I don't ever have malware as I monitor running processes in taskmanager and use hijack this for stuff that starts up that shouldn't. Do just that and you will find all the malware without further security programs. I only find cookies when I use security programs because this method is that effective.


I haven't used just one computer over 8 years, they last two to three years depending on how hard I am on it. That's where the n800 comes in. I've used xp for that time, the hard drives/motherboards etc. always malfunction in the summer heat, and it's often cheaper to get a used one than fix one.

The hardware fails before any malware does much. I've detected a few and one once deleted start menu things and services even...but I cleaned the malware, and found the fix in under a hour.


And secondly I have the service packs, not the automatic updates. I download a security fix if one is needed, but that's rarer than the updates.

Third...what makes you think I have malware? I don't get it, and the few times I have I detected and removed it without security programs in the background or even installed. I use hijackthis and taskmanager...hijack this will tell me if there's anything starting at startup that shouldn't(viruses, malware it all has to run a process.) If malware makes it's way on and runs AFTER startup, I know in minutes as I monitor the running processes in taskmanager(just like a security program only I know good from bad), kill them, and locate the file, and use a utility to delete it effectively. If you do this you will not need security programs to do it for you.

I have scanned my computers with various utilities like avira, and a dozen more over the years including microsoft's one and always uninstalled them because they are redundant if you can detect it before the scan and clean it faster than the scan minutes after it's downloaded. Never while using this method have I had malware detected by any utility I've tried looking for something I missed. And they alert me to stuff that's never malware and if it is I already know because I'm looking at the process in taskmanager.

They just show me cookies and things that aren't malware as I keep my computers clean.

Do you realize that there's more than one person that still thinks it's lack of security, rather than operators or lack of simple tools that loads you up with malware?

Getting it is one thing, but you shouldn't need to be a geek or have antivirus programs to detect/deal with it. Look at majorgeeks where people have nasties that the best anti-xxxx software can't stop or remove...they tell you to dl hijackthis as do many similar sites.

Even geeks get malware, but not as often and it only calls for a special security program when it's a real nasty one. This is rare unless you tend to look at porn unlike the geek that leans toward news on CNN.

I'm not argueing so much as telling everyone that you can do yourself most of what security programs do without using them.

I guess you're not familiar with the search function.

I searched for info on canola with n800 and got this and other topics of little help.

Let me tell you something:
There is a hundred ways to prevent a piece of code from appearing in the task manager, and another hundred ways to hide itself in the hard disk, back in the day I liked to do low level programming and could easily do such tricks.
It's documented that the mean infection time of an unprotected windows xp connected to the internet is about 20 minutes.
A resident anti-malware program hooks deeper into the kernel detecting some of those tricks and can catch many "infections" before they happen, many many more than you looking at the task manager.
It is useless to run anti-malware scanners from the assumed to be infected OS, boot from alternative safe media is mandatory.
But:
Anti-malware scanners use databases, they won't catch everything and they become outdated.