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2008-02-26 , 15:53
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I'm getting ahead of myself. I'm not actually developing anything for the Nokia Internet Tablets. I don't know C or C++ or Python*. (Or Ruby either for that matter.**)

Still, I'm intrigued by a reference to PluThon, which lets you develop Python apps for maemo without requiring Scratchbox.

PluThon is an Eclipse plug-in that allows you to interact with your N800 or N810 and run/debug your Python app directly on the tablet. You work in Eclipse, get your usual language support, and SSH the app to the device from within Eclipse (er, PluThon). And skip the emulation stage entirely.

Right now, PluThon is Linux-only, but it seems like it could be made to work with a Windows setup too. †

Not that I can use it‡. But I can dream, can't I?

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* Hey, lucky Java isn't available on the Internet Tablets or I'd go 0 for 4 on the big ones, eh?

** I have at least made Ruby's acquaintance. Just barely enough to nod in recognition when we pass in the hallway though.

† And if you want that, why don't you send a note to eclipse-integration@maemo.org and ask for it. I have.

‡ Hey, what's to stop an Eclipse-fond Rubyist from doing the same for that language?
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2008-02-26 , 16:46
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Maybe for a professional developer who already lives inside Eclipse most of the time this makes a lot of sense, but for amateurs like you and me it makes me think of launching nuclear warheads on your neighbour because his BBQ blows smoke your way :-)

A much simpler way to achieve something quite similar (for simple projects) is to place your python files in a folder on your PC that is shared over the network. Thus you can similarly code from within your usual tools (preferably something simple, like SciTe), and test the results by accessing the files through the network share from the tablet...
 
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2008-02-26 , 20:16
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In fact you can use every Python IDE for Maemo development if it supports running commands and you have ssh
 
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2008-02-27 , 13:36
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I am part of the PluThon team and currently we are making tests of PluTHon on Windows XP Professional in order to provide detailed information for the final stable release. The installation instructions are the same of Linux; only the requirements for the development environment (PC) are different. In our tests, we have to install the following softwares on Windows XP Professional:
  • Sun's Java Development Kit (JDK) 1.5.0
  • Eclipse SDK 3.3.1.1
  • PyDev >= 1.3.7. Python interpreter must be configured. Follow this instructions in order to configure the PyDev interpreter.
  • SSH client. We have tested PluTHon only with copSSH. Follow this instructions in order to install copSSH. You must add copSSH\bin to the path.

These requirements are similar to the Linux ones. The only difference is about the current explicit dependency of copSSH.

Please, let me know if you have any problem on installing and using PluThon on Windows XP Professional. Feedback can be sent to eclipse-integration@maemo.org or directly to pluthon-users@garage.maemo.org

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2008-02-27 , 15:40
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Originally Posted by fpp View Post
A much simpler way to achieve something quite similar (for simple projects) is to place your python files in a folder on your PC that is shared over the network.
I will admit that I have not tried very hard, but I have never managed to get file-sharing working reliably between the tablet and and WinXP. Sometimes I see the files, mostly I just see the folders and they are presented as empty.

In any case, I feel more comfortable with the files under development being on the tablet so using WinSCP to sync files between the tablet and WinXP works well for me.
 
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2008-02-27 , 15:48
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Originally Posted by glauber View Post
I am part of the PluThon team and currently we are making tests of PluTHon on Windows XP Professional in order to provide detailed information for the final stable release.
Glauber:

Ok, I will try this soon. I presume that I can use the Pydev remote debugger to debug code running inside the tablet? This would be my motivation for using Pluthon as I can already use Eclipse/Pydev to edit tablet code.

Have you guys thought about UI design tools for Pluthon. Can I run Glade on Win XP? Or even better, on the tablet ...
 
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2008-02-27 , 16:04
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Maybe for a professional developer who already lives inside Eclipse most of the time this makes a lot of sense, but for amateurs like you and me it makes me think of launching nuclear warheads on your neighbour because his BBQ blows smoke your way :-)
I think that you are really overstating the difficulty of using Eclipse. Having just cleared the night's snowfall from my driveway I think it is more like the difference between a snow shovel and a snow-blower. They will both move snow - the shovel is good for 2-3 cm, but for any more than that I borrow my neighbor's big snow-blower.

I respect your choice, but with Eclipse/Pydev you get access to lots of tools that you don't get with just an editor. Like refactoring tools, instant navigation to definitions, a history mechanism and a very nice debugger. If you have used any of MS Visual tools then the transition to Eclipse is pretty easy.
 
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I think that you are really overstating the difficulty of using Eclipse. Having just cleared the night's snowfall from my driveway I think it is more like the difference between a snow shovel and a snow-blower. They will both move snow - the shovel is good for 2-3 cm, but for any more than that I borrow my neighbor's big snow-blower.
Nice image ! :-)
I respect your choice, but with Eclipse/Pydev you get access to lots of tools that you don't get with just an editor. Like refactoring tools, instant navigation to definitions, a history mechanism and a very nice debugger. If you have used any of MS Visual tools then the transition to Eclipse is pretty easy.
I'm sure you are right, and Eclipse is certainly a valuable tool for those who can take advantage of it.

That, in fact, is just the point : as I was careful to specify, I am a (very) amateur programmer and tend to stick to (what I consider) very simple projects, that I can carry out with a reasonably python-aware editor like SciTe. If I had the time and need to invest in the snow-blower I'd probably be happy with it, but I don't, because RealLifeTM has decided otherwise - so I stick to what I know and hobble along with my shovel, looking for snow drifts less than 4cm deep :-)

I also believe that for a fledgling programmer looking to get his feet wet, learning to shovel before enjoying the luxury of the blower is not unsound advice...
 
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2008-02-27 , 20:55
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Originally Posted by dont View Post
Glauber:

Ok, I will try this soon. I presume that I can use the Pydev remote debugger to debug code running inside the tablet? This would be my motivation for using Pluthon as I can already use Eclipse/Pydev to edit tablet code.
Yes. PluThon package installs some Python scripts on maemo in order to PyDev debugger connect to it.

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Glauber:
Have you guys thought about UI design tools for Pluthon. Can I run Glade on Win XP? Or even better, on the tablet ...
Currently you can use "Glade for Windows" in order to design the user interfaces and PluThon for implementing the "business logic" and running/debug the application on the internet tablet. A current issue is about the reference to glade files. Using the PluThon beta version (0.1.7) you must use the full path of the glade files at the internet tablet file system. For example, if you are using the root maemo user, and deploying the project foo on the user home directory, you have to use the following path in order to refer to file src/bar.glade: /root/.pluthon/foo/src/bar.glade

Such an issue will be fixed on the next release, allowing to use relative paths.
 
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2008-02-28 , 18:03
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Currently you can use "Glade for Windows" in order to design the user interfaces and PluThon for implementing the "business logic" and running/debug the application on the internet tablet.
Glauber:

I am guessing that I need something from here : for "Glade for Windows". Should I be using: "New ReleaseGtk+ 2.10.11" or something else?
 
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