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2009-11-08
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Maemo is basically a home-run hitter. Now, what if the opposition is up so far that a home run can't save the game? Then a home-run hitter is useless, begins to get jaded and starts feeling his age. If somehow some other technology gets so far on top that Maemo isn't in the same league, enthusiasm will melt and Maemo will become a gathering of has-beens that used to be contenders, and key young people on the move will start disappearing. Maemo will be at best a farm team, a stepping stone to the big leagues.
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2009-11-08
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Don't feed it after midnight.
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2009-11-08
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@ England
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Originally Posted by RevdKathy
I'm not worried about the market taming Maemo. I'm a little worried that Nokia might tame Maemo, i.e. that some future device from Nokia might only work with tamed versions of Maemo.
What happens if the market 'tames' Maemo?
Regards,
Roger
PS: Great first comment from Ari. Information-free, but great nonetheless.
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2009-11-08
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Couple of other interesting quotes from Dr Jääksi's blog entry:
Hmmm. Nokia device policy (only one top end model; no proliferation in sight) is certainly aimed at keeping their Maemo more or less exclusive. Just maybe licensing has something to do with it as well.
Since my N800 was obsoleted by the "dangerous" Maemo platform (and later its screen became useless for text or images) I've spent more time following the mainstream tech media rather than fanboying around Nokia, but I've learned enough of this Maemo 5 to know that it's not the danger here. Nokia's strategy is.
There are, to put it simply, tech fanatics (incl. us), "normal folks" and then the technophobes.
Nokia's reaching a fraction of the first category with their Maemo (+ N900) strategy and very few users in the other two. Symbian still has some staying power in the other two categories (largely thanks to their massive channel), but that is vanishing fast, especially in the middle category.
Meanwhile Android is almost everywhere, whether you like it or not. Large number of different devices is coming out with it, there's competition, media and developer mindshare, decent service offerings from Google and support for many others, no apparent planned obsolescense for the devices...
Now, I don't even follow Android, but I can't help seeing new device reviews and general excitement or promise thereof... while Maemo news are few, far between and often smell of Nokia's corporate involvement.
So, shoot me for losing my early excitement about Maemo. I know it's more open in some ways, but how does it improve my life (unless I buy the specific Nokia device about to ship later this month, obsoleted by Maemo 6?)?
Nokia's lost this early adopter (and like many others like me, I do sometimes influence the decisions of those around me) and while their minitablet phone is bound to find new customers I still feel that Nokia control and exclusivity over the Maemo platform is indeed a bit dangerous game to play.
Phones are indeed computers, but what matters is how you deliver a good user experience to as many people as possible and not just to the daredevil types.
This soap box is slippery...
Maemo is rough on the edges. It is a bit dangerous. It is open to experiments. It is about community involvement. I want these to stay. I do not like boring cars, either.
We are not making a new iPhone or Symbian here. They both exist already and are pretty good. So no need to replicate them.
Since my N800 was obsoleted by the "dangerous" Maemo platform (and later its screen became useless for text or images) I've spent more time following the mainstream tech media rather than fanboying around Nokia, but I've learned enough of this Maemo 5 to know that it's not the danger here. Nokia's strategy is.
There are, to put it simply, tech fanatics (incl. us), "normal folks" and then the technophobes.
Nokia's reaching a fraction of the first category with their Maemo (+ N900) strategy and very few users in the other two. Symbian still has some staying power in the other two categories (largely thanks to their massive channel), but that is vanishing fast, especially in the middle category.
Meanwhile Android is almost everywhere, whether you like it or not. Large number of different devices is coming out with it, there's competition, media and developer mindshare, decent service offerings from Google and support for many others, no apparent planned obsolescense for the devices...
Now, I don't even follow Android, but I can't help seeing new device reviews and general excitement or promise thereof... while Maemo news are few, far between and often smell of Nokia's corporate involvement.
So, shoot me for losing my early excitement about Maemo. I know it's more open in some ways, but how does it improve my life (unless I buy the specific Nokia device about to ship later this month, obsoleted by Maemo 6?)?
Nokia's lost this early adopter (and like many others like me, I do sometimes influence the decisions of those around me) and while their minitablet phone is bound to find new customers I still feel that Nokia control and exclusivity over the Maemo platform is indeed a bit dangerous game to play.
Phones are indeed computers, but what matters is how you deliver a good user experience to as many people as possible and not just to the daredevil types.
This soap box is slippery...
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2009-11-08
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Originally Posted by Peet
No such thing occurred.
Since my N800 was obsoleted by the "dangerous" Maemo platform...
At least not to any of the N800s in our household, which didn't quit performing when Maemo 5 came out.
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2009-11-08
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Originally Posted by geneven
Take it easy. Maemo will be much better with the N900 then with the N800.
Maemo is basically a home-run hitter. Now, what if the opposition is up so far that a home run can't save the game? Then a home-run hitter is useless, begins to get jaded and starts feeling his age. If somehow some other technology gets so far on top that Maemo isn't in the same league, enthusiasm will melt and Maemo will become a gathering of has-beens that used to be contenders, and key young people on the move will start disappearing. Maemo will be at best a farm team, a stepping stone to the big leagues.
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2009-11-08
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Originally Posted by Peet
Slippery soap boxes are dangerous...
Couple of other interesting quotes from Dr Jääksi's blog entry:
Hmmm. Nokia device policy (only one top end model; no proliferation in sight) is certainly aimed at keeping their Maemo more or less exclusive. Just maybe licensing has something to do with it as well.
Since my N800 was obsoleted by the "dangerous" Maemo platform (and later its screen became useless for text or images) I've spent more time following the mainstream tech media rather than fanboying around Nokia, but I've learned enough of this Maemo 5 to know that it's not the danger here. Nokia's strategy is.
There are, to put it simply, tech fanatics (incl. us), "normal folks" and then the technophobes.
Nokia's reaching a fraction of the first category with their Maemo (+ N900) strategy and very few users in the other two. Symbian still has some staying power in the other two categories (largely thanks to their massive channel), but that is vanishing fast, especially in the middle category.
Meanwhile Android is almost everywhere, whether you like it or not. Large number of different devices is coming out with it, there's competition, media and developer mindshare, decent service offerings from Google and support for many others, no apparent planned obsolescense for the devices...
Now, I don't even follow Android, but I can't help seeing new device reviews and general excitement or promise thereof... while Maemo news are few, far between and often smell of Nokia's corporate involvement.
So, shoot me for losing my early excitement about Maemo. I know it's more open in some ways, but how does it improve my life (unless I buy the specific Nokia device about to ship later this month, obsoleted by Maemo 6?)?
Nokia's lost this early adopter (and like many others like me, I do sometimes influence the decisions of those around me) and while their minitablet phone is bound to find new customers I still feel that Nokia control and exclusivity over the Maemo platform is indeed a bit dangerous game to play.
Phones are indeed computers, but what matters is how you deliver a good user experience to as many people as possible and not just to the daredevil types.
This soap box is slippery...
My N800 and N810 are far from obsolete and even more uses will be found because of Maemo5.
Interestingly I spent Saturday night around a bonfire with friends sampling beers and wines, catching up, and generally enjoying the cool starlit, November night... a tradition of sorts in the northeast and northwest of North America.
I set down my n810 and fired up the latest version of YouAmp and had instant access to over 1200 songs that I keep on the tablet. This was a multi-generation happening so the uncles and aunts (my group) were satisfied with one collection I have of the 885 all time favorites of a local radio station, WXPN @ 88.5. I also have some more popular music that satisfied the nieces and nephews who ranged in age from 7 to 17.
Every one was quite intrigued with the search feature of YouAmp and that's what we used to control play back... If they didn't like the songs in queue all they had to do was enter a single word search term to generate a completely different list. That list would play until someone would remember another tune that the wanted to hear. They would then enter only as much info in the search that they needed until the song they wanted showed up, along with anything else that somehow also matched that criteria. They selected their song and the remaining songs on the new list would play after their song was finished. This went on for over four hours
There was remarks that the iPod could do this and the iPhone could do that but in the final analysis it was the N810 that came out of someones pocket, was set upon a log, and was ready to play with no wires, external speakers, or external power supply.
3 years ago the N800 that I paid $400 for would never have left my pocket. Because of the impending release of Maemo5, I was able to pick up an N810 for $150.
When I told folks that the N800 could be had for $50 bucks less than that, light bulbs went off over some heads . At that price buying one for a single purpose would not be outrageous and the thing is... this is just one of the single purposes that the tablets are very good with.
My point with all this is what "Market" are they loosing traction in?
Last edited by YoDude; 2009-11-08 at 23:05. Reason: hear for here
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2009-11-08
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Originally Posted by Texrat
You probably just didn't tell them. Mine jumped from a high table and died a horrible death on a tiled floor
No such thing occurred.
At least not to any of the N800s in our household, which didn't quit performing when Maemo 5 came out.
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2009-11-09
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Originally Posted by Texrat
A quote from Wikipedia:
No such thing occurred.
At least not to any of the N800s in our household, which didn't quit performing when Maemo 5 came out.
A straw man is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue. The basic idea is to "win" an argument by leading attention away from the argument and to another topic.
Maybe I'll explain this to you so you can move on to the actual point of the message and do a proper dismissal of my personal opinion...
The snippet "Since my N800 was obsoleted by the "dangerous" Maemo platform" - as you probably already knew - referred to the unsupported status of the Maemo 4 devices, with a measure of "dangerous" northern European sarcasm added for effect.
For the users of those devices the main "danger" lies obviously not in the platform itself but in its long since ceased development (incl. the often important closed source apps) and the lack of bug or security fixes. Heck, the development of supported platform (then Maemo 4, with subsequent version support implied) essentially ceased as soon as the N810 devices were released two years ago! (I am aware of the ongoing volunteer efforts that hope to address some of the "fixed in Fremantle" concerns)
Now clearly this issue has already been debated to its unwawering conclusion so it wasn't necessary to make it the headline grabber.
I gave you my fair view of market developments as I see them as a response to Dr Jääksi's "a bit dangerous" blog entry. You only have issue with my aside pointing out that a partially proprietary abandoned platform is the main danger for a user of platform too tightly controlled by a single corporate entity.
For Nokia (and the Maemo platform they control) the main danger may end up being lack of developer/user/media mindshare and a limited hardware ecosystem in comparison, say, with Android. Dr Jääksi's comments seem to imply that Nokia's fine with Maemo's status as a "dangerous" (fringe?) platform.
Maemo is rough on the edges. It is a bit dangerous. It is open to experiments.
These were some of my thoughts when I'm thinking about Maemo 5, pushing Maemo forward, and making computers. We are not making a new iPhone or Symbian here. They both exist already and are pretty good. So no need to replicate them.
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