Active Topics
-
Camera phone competition March 2023 "Endless" (35)
to General by Maemish - 1 day, 9 hrs ago -
TLS 1.2 for N9 is ready (28)
to MeeGo / Harmattan by smartblu9 - 1 day, 11 hrs ago -
Maemo repository (3)
to Community by torsen - 2 days, 2 hrs ago -
Error after installing Leste on sdcard (11)
to Maemo 7 / Leste by Maemish - 3 days ago -
Introducing ubiboot N9 (multiboot OS loader) (1,393)
to Alternatives by smatkovi - 4 days, 6 hrs ago - more...
 |
|
2011-08-20
, 02:15
|
|
Posts: 1,338 |
Thanked: 1,055 times |
Joined on Oct 2009
@ California, USA / Jordan
|
#2
|
I'm also interested in this.. 
__________________
FarahFa.com
FarahFa.com
 |
|
2011-08-20
, 02:59
|
|
Posts: 57 |
Thanked: 10 times |
Joined on Jun 2010
|
#3
|
Originally Posted by bandora
It's rather strange to me actually. I think I now have a handle on what other people have done...They have been using Google voice in tandem with a SIP phone number (is that right?) that Google voice then calls to, and you pickup that sip call on your phone, and then google voice takes over and all the groovy free call stuff happens, is that it?
I'm also interested in this..
I was very lucky in that while I was out of the country, I was able to use Google Voice with Gmail (ie google talk) just by having two tabs open in Firefox. Placed calls and txted peeps back in the states over Google Voice tab, and received the "callback" from Google Voice on the Gmail tab. Simple setup. I made calls to and received calls from the States super breazy.
From what I have gathered, at least with Mozilla, this is made possible by the "Google Talk Plugin" that I spy in my task manager on windows 7...
It seems to me that the key to making the "The One Ring" plugin for Google Voice in conversations function on the N900 like it should, would be to delve into exactly what is going on between being logged into Google Voice and Gmail with this little googletalkplugin.exe that is running as a go between for non cellular/landline call back initiated calls.
I mean...The functionality is there for a PC user...why can't it be reproduced on the N900?
bam.
__________________
Can you see them?
Can you see them?
Last edited by sytheii; 2011-08-20 at 03:07.
|
|
2011-08-20
, 17:55
|
|
Posts: 57 |
Thanked: 10 times |
Joined on Jun 2010
|
#4
|
Any thoughts on this topic from anyone? I remember now why using Google Voice worked so well before. I had T-Mobile with My Faves, a hold-over from an old 2 Year contract that I still had even after the 2-year period was over. I was able to add my GV # to My Faves, and all calls were free, ie, not using my minutes. Sadly, unless the usage of Google Voice can be made to happen only over a data connection, not utilizing any minutes, I don't think Google Voice will be that useful for me anymore, except for txt messaging.
__________________
Can you see them?
Can you see them?
|
|
2011-08-22
, 06:25
|
|
Posts: 1,048 |
Thanked: 979 times |
Joined on Mar 2008
@ SF Bay Area
|
#5
|
Have you tried out qgvdial and it's phone integration component qgv-tp?
Also, if you're looking for a way to dial out directly with the equivalent of the gmail dial method, then please do a forum search for threads by xur17. One of them talks about making this work on the n900 with a fair degree of success.
The links for qgvdial are in my signature - I hope this interface doesn't hide them. If it doesn't, search my handle.
Edit: For the signature.
Last edited by uvatbc; 2011-08-22 at 18:36.
Also, if you're looking for a way to dial out directly with the equivalent of the gmail dial method, then please do a forum search for threads by xur17. One of them talks about making this work on the n900 with a fair degree of success.
The links for qgvdial are in my signature - I hope this interface doesn't hide them. If it doesn't, search my handle.
Edit: For the signature.
Last edited by uvatbc; 2011-08-22 at 18:36.
| The Following User Says Thank You to uvatbc For This Useful Post: | ||
|
|
2011-08-22
, 20:19
|
|
Posts: 57 |
Thanked: 10 times |
Joined on Jun 2010
|
#6
|
Originally Posted by uvatbc
I tried out qgvdial from extras-testing, but I have to be honest and say there are a couple of things I don't like about it.
Have you tried out qgvdial and it's phone integration component qgv-tp?
Also, if you're looking for a way to dial out directly with the equivalent of the gmail dial method, then please do a forum search for threads by xur17. One of them talks about making this work on the n900 with a fair degree of success.
The links for qgvdial are in my signature - I hope this interface doesn't hide them. If it doesn't, search my handle.
Edit: For the signature.
1. You designed the GUI so that I can't access the N900's windowing(IE, the only way I know of how to switch out of qgvdial is to hit the off button on top of the phone, and then go to phone, and then from there back to the main desktop screen, which is annoying as all hell.) Maybe there's another way to do this, I don't know.
2. In the callback setting/option,
A.using Skype didn't work for me, it did ring me from my Skype number, but all I got was a garbled message which was clipped off basically saying "try again" or some such thing from Skype's operator system.
B. In your description of what it can do, you say "In [addition] to the usual callback method, "direct dial" is also possible using the sim card number or skype / sip." I don't really know what "using sim card number" means, but I suspect that means just whatever mobile number is associated with your sim card, which wouldn't work in my situation at the moment, plus it defeats the whole point of using GV for me in the first place IMO, considering that minutes either are finite, or infinite; if my minutes are infinite, what do i care about using Google Voice? I am assuming that SIP works fine, since there is no real work involved on your end in getting SIP to function, that's another server somewhere.
3. For some reason, I couldn't get my Google contacts to load, although this isn't really a big deal because all my Google contacts are just reproductions of the ones I have stored on the N900.
4. I had poor results using your interface (which for the most part is very similar to Dial Central) for txt messaging. First off, some of the test txts i sent didn't go through. Another thing, It seems really redundant on this phone to do anything as a separate running application. I am using TOR right now, with its plugin that integrates with conversations, and it does me good. I know you have qgv-tp, but I couldn't even edit its account settings or anything from the conv. accounts window, which was a little hinky too. And I think from a contacts information, sending txt messages opened up qgvdial after i initiated the txt from the "conversations" section, which is additionally, redundant.
If you really want QGV to stand apart from anything else for the N900, I would highly recommend integrating what xur17 is trying to do with yate-client into your program, where you can use the "Gmail call/Google Talk" method to place and receive calls and texts, and also, I think that (even though your GUI is cool looking,) having it be invisible would be better, and integration with the phones standard services.
If you think about it, the original "cool" feature about Google Voice, was that for people who have lots of telecommunication portals, work phone, cell phone, car phone, mobile #1, #2, etc...Google Voice was Kick *** because you could give out only 1 #, and anyone could reach you if you were anywhere near any of those phones. But I think for the majority of users of Google Voice, it's the FREE aspect of the service that really counts. So now the most important factor in being a Google Voice user, is mobility, and zero cost, and being able to place calls on GV like we do on the PC on our mobiles, for free.
Again thanks for the comments, I am going to check out xur17 and see whether or not that might work for me, but at the moment, and I have been using it for a couple days now, this is my setup.
I have Google Voice + IPKALL DID # + Callcentric
On the N900 I am using TOR, with a SIP account through Callcentric, and it works reliably well, and call quality (at least on WiFi) at home is fantastic. Txt messages I initiate through the contacts section, but once I have a single conversation going through the "Conversations" section of the N900, I never really have to bugger around with it anymore since it logs everything and i just keep talking
I am very happy with this setup for the moment.
The last thing I need to do, is figure out whether or not I can put a mobile broadband SIM card, say.....from T-MOBILE, into my N900, and then be mobile with broadband access, never needing a carrier number again, (or at least until our free calling comes crashing to the ground :P )
Does anyone have any experience or knowledge on this point? I have read somewhere recently that someone did the exact same thing with a N95, which I used to have, and I'm inclined to think that if a 95 can work, a 900 should too.
Originally Posted by uvatbc
Sorry, what did you mean by this?
Looks like the mobile interface doesn't put a signature. Try with desktop interface...
__________________
Can you see them?
Can you see them?
Last edited by sytheii; 2011-08-22 at 20:26.
| The Following User Says Thank You to sytheii For This Useful Post: | ||
|
|
2011-08-23
, 01:58
|
|
Posts: 1,048 |
Thanked: 979 times |
Joined on Mar 2008
@ SF Bay Area
|
#7
|
Thanks for the detailed review. Comments inline.
This should hide the qgvdial interface.
If you're saying that it should "lower" and not hide the window, I can do that... thus far the 2 people who have consistently provided feedback hadn't complained about this so I never bothered fixing it.
On the other hand: I'd like to know more about what it took to make it fail. Did you make a "call back" or "call out" to your skype number?
This is usually not what you want if you're looking for free phone calls.
OTOH: I have a skype subscription which means all my skype outgoing calls are free. I make qgvdial use the Skype account to dial out and I get "free" phone calls.
This technique can also dial out using a SIP account if you have one.
Basically, qgvdial can use any way you have to dial out on your n900.
I'll push out a testing release in about 2 days once I'm back home.
The qgv-tp component internally talks to qgvdial to do all the work.
It made no sense to add setting at that time... Now I think I will.
Originally Posted by sytheii
The testing release is a few releases old, but it still has a "X" (cross) on the top right corner of qgvdial's interface...
I tried out qgvdial from extras-testing, but I have to be honest and say there are a couple of things I don't like about it.
1. You designed the GUI so that I can't access the N900's windowing(IE, the only way I know of how to switch out of qgvdial is to hit the off button on top of the phone, and then go to phone, and then from there back to the main desktop screen, which is annoying as all hell.) Maybe there's another way to do this, I don't know.
This should hide the qgvdial interface.
If you're saying that it should "lower" and not hide the window, I can do that... thus far the 2 people who have consistently provided feedback hadn't complained about this so I never bothered fixing it.
Originally Posted by sytheii
Have you got call identification set up in your skype account? I've faced this problem when I hadn't set up my skype account to display my inbound skype number when making a call.
2. In the callback setting/option,
A.using Skype didn't work for me, it did ring me from my Skype number, but all I got was a garbled message which was clipped off basically saying "try again" or some such thing from Skype's operator system.
On the other hand: I'd like to know more about what it took to make it fail. Did you make a "call back" or "call out" to your skype number?
Originally Posted by sytheii
Some people want to use GV the way they use GV on their iPhone or Android or BB: They enter a number and then the GV client on the phone dials that number via a special number using their phone minutes.
B. In your description of what it can do, you say "In [addition] to the usual callback method, "direct dial" is also possible using the sim card number or skype / sip." I don't really know what "using sim card number" means, but I suspect that means just whatever mobile number is associated with your sim card, which wouldn't work in my situation at the moment, plus it defeats the whole point of using GV for me in the first place IMO, considering that minutes either are finite, or infinite; if my minutes are infinite, what do i care about using Google Voice? I am assuming that SIP works fine, since there is no real work involved on your end in getting SIP to function, that's another server somewhere.
This is usually not what you want if you're looking for free phone calls.
OTOH: I have a skype subscription which means all my skype outgoing calls are free. I make qgvdial use the Skype account to dial out and I get "free" phone calls.
This technique can also dial out using a SIP account if you have one.
Basically, qgvdial can use any way you have to dial out on your n900.
Originally Posted by sytheii
This may be because the testing version is a little old. I pushed out a couple of devel releases at least one of which fixes the contacts problem.
3. For some reason, I couldn't get my Google contacts to load, although this isn't really a big deal because all my Google contacts are just reproductions of the ones I have stored on the N900.
I'll push out a testing release in about 2 days once I'm back home.
Originally Posted by sytheii
Probably because of older release. Lots of bug fixes related to texting in the devel releases.
4. I had poor results using your interface (which for the most part is very similar to Dial Central) for txt messaging. First off, some of the test txts i sent didn't go through.
Originally Posted by sytheii
qgvdial was meant to be a standalone application only.
Another thing, It seems really redundant on this phone to do anything as a separate running application. I am using TOR right now, with its plugin that integrates with conversations, and it does me good. I know you have qgv-tp, but I couldn't even edit its account settings or anything from the conv. accounts window, which was a little hinky too. And I think from a contacts information, sending txt messages opened up qgvdial after i initiated the txt from the "conversations" section, which is additionally, redundant.
The qgv-tp component internally talks to qgvdial to do all the work.
It made no sense to add setting at that time... Now I think I will.
Originally Posted by sytheii
Hmm.. will have to look into this...
If you really want QGV to stand apart from anything else for the N900, I would highly recommend integrating what xur17 is trying to do with yate-client into your program, where you can use the "Gmail call/Google Talk" method to place and receive calls and texts, and also, I think that (even though your GUI is cool looking,) having it be invisible would be better, and integration with the phones standard services.
Originally Posted by sytheii
Will respond to this a bit later. Right now got to go.
If you think about it, the original "cool" feature about Google Voice, was that for people who have lots of telecommunication portals, work phone, cell phone, car phone, mobile #1, #2, etc...Google Voice was Kick *** because you could give out only 1 #, and anyone could reach you if you were anywhere near any of those phones. But I think for the majority of users of Google Voice, it's the FREE aspect of the service that really counts. So now the most important factor in being a Google Voice user, is mobility, and zero cost, and being able to place calls on GV like we do on the PC on our mobiles, for free.
Again thanks for the comments, I am going to check out xur17 and see whether or not that might work for me, but at the moment, and I have been using it for a couple days now, this is my setup.
I have Google Voice + IPKALL DID # + Callcentric
On the N900 I am using TOR, with a SIP account through Callcentric, and it works reliably well, and call quality (at least on WiFi) at home is fantastic. Txt messages I initiate through the contacts section, but once I have a single conversation going through the "Conversations" section of the N900, I never really have to bugger around with it anymore since it logs everything and i just keep talking
I am very happy with this setup for the moment.
The last thing I need to do, is figure out whether or not I can put a mobile broadband SIM card, say.....from T-MOBILE, into my N900, and then be mobile with broadband access, never needing a carrier number again, (or at least until our free calling comes crashing to the ground :P )
Does anyone have any experience or knowledge on this point? I have read somewhere recently that someone did the exact same thing with a N95, which I used to have, and I'm inclined to think that if a 95 can work, a 900 should too.
Originally Posted by sytheii
Ignore that. I talk to myself sometimes.
Sorry, what did you mean by this?
__________________
qgvdial: Google Voice client. All downloads
qgvtp: Phone integration for the n900 that dials out and sends texts using qgvdial.
mosquitto: message broker that implements the MQ Telemetry Transport protocol version 3.
qgvnotify: Google voice and contacts notifier for diablo and maemo.
If you want to thank me, click the Thanks button.
If you'd like to thank my applications, vote to move them to extras.
qgvdial: Google Voice client. All downloads
qgvtp: Phone integration for the n900 that dials out and sends texts using qgvdial.
mosquitto: message broker that implements the MQ Telemetry Transport protocol version 3.
qgvnotify: Google voice and contacts notifier for diablo and maemo.
If you want to thank me, click the Thanks button.
If you'd like to thank my applications, vote to move them to extras.
|
|
2011-08-30
, 06:49
|
|
Posts: 57 |
Thanked: 10 times |
Joined on Jun 2010
|
#8
|
I am now experiencing problems with this method of using Google Voice....i guess it was bound to happen eventually since i am connecting to it through almost 3 different services....
Going to see what i can learn about yate now. The whole idea i had was to get reliable calling over wifi, but if I can't even get that, then there's even less of a chance to have it with mobile broadband...if that even works.
Going to see what i can learn about yate now. The whole idea i had was to get reliable calling over wifi, but if I can't even get that, then there's even less of a chance to have it with mobile broadband...if that even works.
__________________
Can you see them?
Can you see them?
|
|
2011-08-30
, 07:09
|
|
Posts: 1,048 |
Thanked: 979 times |
Joined on Mar 2008
@ SF Bay Area
|
#9
|
Originally Posted by sytheii
Based on the feedback I get from the people I call using qgvdial and skype or a sip account, there are a 2 distinct problems:
I am now experiencing problems with this method of using Google Voice....i guess it was bound to happen eventually since i am connecting to it through almost 3 different services....
Going to see what i can learn about yate now. The whole idea i had was to get reliable calling over wifi, but if I can't even get that, then there's even less of a chance to have it with mobile broadband...if that even works.
1. Lag: This lag is sometimes not noticeable or is not any different than the lag introduced by a phone call between timezones - even within the continental US. At other times, the lag is almost a full second both ways as compared to a standard mobile call.
2. Jitter: Breaking voice on one side or the other. Happens if the n900 starts syncing my Exchange account... or checking gmail... or runs a calendar sync script...
The surprising part is that both these problems were worse on wifi than on 3G. On the other hand, 3G is VERY spotty and causes too much battery drain.
After about 2 years struggling to get decent quality calls for free on my n900, I've given up and just bought minutes.
This is probably not what you wanted to hear, but that my experience and it may help to reduce your eventual frustration.
__________________
qgvdial: Google Voice client. All downloads
qgvtp: Phone integration for the n900 that dials out and sends texts using qgvdial.
mosquitto: message broker that implements the MQ Telemetry Transport protocol version 3.
qgvnotify: Google voice and contacts notifier for diablo and maemo.
If you want to thank me, click the Thanks button.
If you'd like to thank my applications, vote to move them to extras.
qgvdial: Google Voice client. All downloads
qgvtp: Phone integration for the n900 that dials out and sends texts using qgvdial.
mosquitto: message broker that implements the MQ Telemetry Transport protocol version 3.
qgvnotify: Google voice and contacts notifier for diablo and maemo.
If you want to thank me, click the Thanks button.
If you'd like to thank my applications, vote to move them to extras.
| The Following User Says Thank You to uvatbc For This Useful Post: | ||
|
|
2011-08-30
, 17:56
|
|
Posts: 57 |
Thanked: 10 times |
Joined on Jun 2010
|
#10
|
It's not what I wanted to hear at all, but in a way it makes sense. I am still going to try yate and see what that is like...but if its no good, then I will prolly just go with some minutes. The thing that I had wanted to achieve though, was being able to have free calling, AND a data plan. I had gotten so used to being able to google search whenever I wanted, that now i'm not sure if i can do without it.
On a side note though, the mobile broadband i was talking about with tmobile, is supposedly a 4g network. I know the n900 isnt 4g...but supposing it was, would call quality be much better, do you think?
On a side note though, the mobile broadband i was talking about with tmobile, is supposedly a 4g network. I know the n900 isnt 4g...but supposing it was, would call quality be much better, do you think?
__________________
Can you see them?
Can you see them?
I have been away from Maemo as well as my N900 for a while, but now I'm back.
I had used dial central for a while with callbacks, and that was OK while I had a mobile number. For the last year though, I had been using Google Voice in tandem with Gmail on my computer, and have been making calls from Google Voice, ie, dialing, and placing call, and having the "Phone to call with" being Google Talk.
Is there a way to reproduce this on the N900? Preferably something integrated with the phone? (not using a browser, or other application at all) Keep in mind that for the moment, I do not have a mobile #. I know there are multiple threads on here dealing with this sort of thing, but I had wanted to see if there was a general consensus on the best method of using Google Voice.
Can you see them?