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2009-12-05
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Why not use one of the many IM services that Maemo supports? Or if you're really desperate, sign up for Ovi and use Nokia Messaging.
Nokia can't control what carriers do. I don't know what it's like in your country, but there are plenty of perfectly reasonable deals in the UK for internet (e.g. with three, etceterea)
Nokia can't control what carriers do. I don't know what it's like in your country, but there are plenty of perfectly reasonable deals in the UK for internet (e.g. with three, etceterea)
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2009-12-05
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Originally Posted by w00t
I know Nokia can't control what carriers do but why the special treatment for RIM? I am currently on a blackberry contract (got the blackberry for my wife on my upgrade cause she wanted to be able to IM all her friends). Got the N900 sim free and I am sure when I go to 02 or Phones 4 U to say I want to change to an unlimted web contract they would have alot to say and probably not allow me to switch tariff. Even if they offer "unlimited" the 500mb may not be enough. Plus will probably be moving to Nigeria soon and the only web contract the phone companies give is for blackberry.
Why not use one of the many IM services that Maemo supports? Or if you're really desperate, sign up for Ovi and use Nokia Messaging.
Nokia can't control what carriers do. I don't know what it's like in your country, but there are plenty of perfectly reasonable deals in the UK for internet (e.g. with three, etceterea)
I know you can get msn for example on the N900 but all my friends are using blackberrys. They can't use msn on their blackberrys. If Nokia had offered the same free IM on their phones like RIM did then many of them would have gotten Nokia phones instead.
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2009-12-06
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Originally Posted by etuoyo
Because Blackberries are aimed at the corporate market. A company will pay a pretty stiff amount (roughly $30k for 500 seats) in order to have BlackBerry Enterprise Server which integrates with their Exchange server (or whatever is supported/used by the company). On top of that, the companies would buy a allocated amount of shared minutes across all the phones within the organisation (again, for the 500 phones example, this would be around £8000 per month) from the operator.
I know Nokia can't control what carriers do but why the special treatment for RIM?
In other words: Blackberries are a highly profitable business. Implementing something which is as low bandwidth as text messaging isn't an expensive project. Plus, non-corporate users often don't have access to the same services, or pay for them as part of their contract.
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2009-12-06
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[QUOTE=etuoyo;411882]Blackberry's became very popular due to the push email service and many companies providing them to employees (so they can be at their beck and call 24/7). However, they are now even more popular because people use them to send free IM messages. Mobile phone companies also provide a blacberry tariff which gives unlimited access to push email and unlimited internet browsing.
Why isn't there the same with Nokia?[quote]
Uh, there is, etuoyo! Nokia Messaging is PUSH email, and Ovi Contacts is its IM offering, and works just fine on the N900.
http://betalabs.nokia.com/betas/view/contacts-ovi
That link is for Symbian devices, and its no longer a Beta Labs project, but it is available via Conversations on the N900. Ovi is Nokia's service arm. But honestly, with support for all of the common IM service protocols, why must there be a Nokia only protocol? Nokia is trying to enable more people to use their services, not just Nokia users. I think Blackberry is pretty stupid for doing that without porting it to other OSes. At least WinMo, since they were just as common in the business world.
In the US, you can get unlimited web browsing, but it isn't free, and neither is it with a Blackberry. Usually, there is a fee for BIS access. Nokia doesn't control service, though, the carriers do that. But I've used unlimited web access on my mobiles for years.
All your friends have email, right? Why not talk via email, or tell them to install a more common IM client? Makes sense to me. BB Messenger is just a gimmick. It's a closed IM protocol and not worth much. I'd get the N900 and call or SMS them if its that important.
Why isn't there the same with Nokia?[quote]
Uh, there is, etuoyo! Nokia Messaging is PUSH email, and Ovi Contacts is its IM offering, and works just fine on the N900.
Why isn't there an IM service which allows you to chat with any of your friends that has a [compatible] Nokia phone?
That link is for Symbian devices, and its no longer a Beta Labs project, but it is available via Conversations on the N900. Ovi is Nokia's service arm. But honestly, with support for all of the common IM service protocols, why must there be a Nokia only protocol? Nokia is trying to enable more people to use their services, not just Nokia users. I think Blackberry is pretty stupid for doing that without porting it to other OSes. At least WinMo, since they were just as common in the business world.
Why don't mobile phone companies provide unlimited internet browsing on Nokia phones like they do with blackberry? They say it is unlimited but it is really limited, to as low as 500mb a month, but with blackberry it's really unlimited. Why the difference?
I am very happy with my N900 (will be even more happy if the phone functions are brought up to symbian level) and it has removed the need to carry a separate mp3/mp4 player. But I may have no choice but to get a blackberry as well cause all my friends have blackberry for IM chatting and because I want real unlimited internet access.
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2009-12-06
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[QUOTE=christexaport;412333][QUOTE=etuoyo;411882]Blackberry's became very popular due to the push email service and many companies providing them to employees (so they can be at their beck and call 24/7). However, they are now even more popular because people use them to send free IM messages. Mobile phone companies also provide a blacberry tariff which gives unlimited access to push email and unlimited internet browsing.
Why isn't there the same with Nokia?
Yeah I guess I will have to chat with them via email though not quite the same as IM.
I know Nokia Messanging is push email but my understanding is it's not free and you pay for it after a trial period or something. Would have expected it to be free since we already paid for the Nokia phone.
Looked at the ovi link you provided and seems some have been crying out for Nokia to extend to blackberry users. That would be perfect for me if that could happen.
http://betalabs.nokia.com/forum/topic/4991
Why isn't there the same with Nokia?
Uh, there is, etuoyo! Nokia Messaging is PUSH email, and Ovi Contacts is its IM offering, and works just fine on the N900.
http://betalabs.nokia.com/betas/view/contacts-ovi
That link is for Symbian devices, and its no longer a Beta Labs project, but it is available via Conversations on the N900. Ovi is Nokia's service arm. But honestly, with support for all of the common IM service protocols, why must there be a Nokia only protocol? Nokia is trying to enable more people to use their services, not just Nokia users. I think Blackberry is pretty stupid for doing that without porting it to other OSes. At least WinMo, since they were just as common in the business world.
In the US, you can get unlimited web browsing, but it isn't free, and neither is it with a Blackberry. Usually, there is a fee for BIS access. Nokia doesn't control service, though, the carriers do that. But I've used unlimited web access on my mobiles for years.
All your friends have email, right? Why not talk via email, or tell them to install a more common IM client? Makes sense to me. BB Messenger is just a gimmick. It's a closed IM protocol and not worth much. I'd get the N900 and call or SMS them if its that important.
I know Nokia Messanging is push email but my understanding is it's not free and you pay for it after a trial period or something. Would have expected it to be free since we already paid for the Nokia phone.
Looked at the ovi link you provided and seems some have been crying out for Nokia to extend to blackberry users. That would be perfect for me if that could happen.
http://betalabs.nokia.com/forum/topic/4991
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2009-12-07
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I'd love to see Blackberry Messenger and other protocols supported, and all proprietary messaging system opened up and ported to all OSes. But we are far from that dream.
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2009-12-08
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I believe the reason is that RIM actually runs its own BlackBerry email/IM service because they have their own network overlayed on top of the carriers. It is encrypted as well, that's why FBI bought 20 thousand BBs last year so that NSA can't see the email traffic, because not even NSA can decrypt the 1024 bit encryption.
Also, remember reading something about why India was reluctant to let BB in - for the same we-cant-see-the-bb-traffic reasons.
Also, remember reading something about why India was reluctant to let BB in - for the same we-cant-see-the-bb-traffic reasons.
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2009-12-08
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Originally Posted by OrangeBox
Ah that's interesting.
I believe the reason is that RIM actually runs its own BlackBerry email/IM service because they have their own network overlayed on top of the carriers. It is encrypted as well, that's why FBI bought 20 thousand BBs last year so that NSA can't see the email traffic, because not even NSA can decrypt the 1024 bit encryption.
Also, remember reading something about why India was reluctant to let BB in - for the same we-cant-see-the-bb-traffic reasons.
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2009-12-08
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Nokia actually has BlackBerry type software that when installed, will work with your carrier's BB service and receive pushed emails and the like.
Only drawback is, it's all plain text, no HTML/Rich content in the emails.
I ran it on my old E90 for a good 2 years. Worked beautifully.
Only drawback is, it's all plain text, no HTML/Rich content in the emails.
I ran it on my old E90 for a good 2 years. Worked beautifully.
Why isn't there the same with Nokia?
Why isn't there an IM service which allows you to chat with any of your friends that has a [compatible] Nokia phone?
Why don't mobile phone companies provide unlimited internet browsing on Nokia phones like they do with blackberry? They say it is unlimited but it is really limited, to as low as 500mb a month, but with blackberry it's really unlimited. Why the difference?
I am very happy with my N900 (will be even more happy if the phone functions are brought up to symbian level) and it has removed the need to carry a separate mp3/mp4 player. But I may have no choice but to get a blackberry as well cause all my friends have blackberry for IM chatting and because I want real unlimited internet access.