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MrWh1t3 is offline MrWh1t3
2009-12-12 , 02:57
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Because their are losing their foothold in the UK now (smartphone wise).

"Retailer eXpansys (which is big enough to actually produce some meaningful sales trend data, we suspect) is reporting that the just-launched Droid clone for GSM became "the fastest selling gadget in the website's 11 year history, even more successful than the iPhone" when it sold out inside of three hours on its site on top of the roughly 1,000 preorders they had taken prior to the 10th"

http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/11/m...elling-gadget/
 
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2009-12-12 , 03:05
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that says little. what percentage has the iPhone garnered in the UK? Expansys represents a small part of the UK. Carriers sell well above the Expansys numbers, as well as Carphone Warehouse. Expansys doesn't have a brick and mortar store I know of. This is worse news for Apple than Nokia. Nokia sells 10-20 models to Motorola's few and Apple's one. Nokia doesn't need a great selling device, but a great selling portfolio.
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MrWh1t3 is offline MrWh1t3
2009-12-12 , 03:49
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Originally Posted by christexaport View Post
that says little. what percentage has the iPhone garnered in the UK? Expansys represents a small part of the UK. Carriers sell well above the Expansys numbers, as well as Carphone Warehouse. Expansys doesn't have a brick and mortar store I know of. This is worse news for Apple than Nokia. Nokia sells 10-20 models to Motorola's few and Apple's one. Nokia doesn't need a great selling device, but a great selling portfolio.
Your comment about selling 10-20 models is baseless considering Nokia said they are going to cut back on the quantity of models sold. Companies they do bad cut back on the models that don't do well. It's not good business practice and costs too. Just like car companies cut back on models to be competitive, so will Nokia as they have been outpaced lately.

http://www.nokia.com/about-nokia/fin...mation/q1-2009

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10245339-37.html

If their sales are going down and they don't care about other markets (US, etc.) then the decrease in sales can only be contributed to the areas they do care about....Europe, etc. You can't have a decrease in sales in places you never had sales. When you read article about the Iphone and Droid doing well in those Nokia saturated markets you can only assume those smart phones are contributing to the decrease in nokia smartphone sales - again look at the numbers before telling me I am wrong, or just look at their stock price.

Fan boy out all you want to, but you can't deny their sales figures are going down. I own a N97mini, N900, and sold off my Iphone awhile back. I want them to do well as I like their products. I am just stating the fact.
 
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2009-12-12 , 10:37
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iPhone is also shockingly expensive without a contract (£889.99), while the Motorola Milestone (I always read that as millstone!) is about half the price (£449.99), so that places the two phones in different categories anyway.

Also, if you read the article a little further:

This might be a case of double-speak -- we're trying to establish just how many phones were sold during those three hours, because what we really need is a sales rate, not a time span alone
So yes, they sold out all of their unknown number of stock in a shockingly short time. So if they had 10 in stock and sold out in 1 min, that would be quite fast, but not very exciting due to the # of units.
 
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2009-12-12 , 10:51
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Originally Posted by lardman View Post
iPhone is also shockingly expensive without a contract (£889.99), while the Motorola Milestone (I always read that as millstone!) is about half the price (£449.99), so that places the two phones in different categories anyway.

Also, if you read the article a little further:



So yes, they sold out all of their unknown number of stock in a shockingly short time. So if they had 10 in stock and sold out in 1 min, that would be quite fast, but not very exciting due to the # of units.
Bear in mind that the £889.99 you rightly quote is for the 32GB 3GS, whilst your will have to spend about £250 for a 32GB card to get the same amount of storage on the Milestone. Makes the 32GB N900 seem cheap.
 
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2009-12-12 , 11:53
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Bear in mind that the £889.99 you rightly quote is for the 32GB 3GS, whilst your will have to spend about £250 for a 32GB card to get the same amount of storage on the Milestone. Makes the 32GB N900 seem cheap.
250 GBP for 32 GB card? There is no 32 GB microSD card. There is a 32 GB SD card, but these cost like 20-50 EUR which is nowhere near 250 GBP.

One problem with Motorola Droid in USA is that is comes with Verizon and strange, twisted contract and price. I don't know if it is sold without contract in UK, and if with contract what the terms and prices are.

What websites like eXpansys do when advertising pre-orders is see how popular the device is, so they know how much in bulk they have to order, so they maximize turnover rate with a competitive profit margin.

The link you refer to does not work btw. It refers to engadget.com main page. OTOH, your title and first sentence are non-sequitur and therefore flamebait.
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2009-12-12 , 17:21
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Originally Posted by MrWh1t3 View Post
Your comment about selling 10-20 models is baseless considering Nokia said they are going to cut back on the quantity of models sold. Companies they do bad cut back on the models that don't do well. It's not good business practice and costs too. Just like car companies cut back on models to be competitive, so will Nokia as they have been outpaced lately.
It may initially look that way, but if Nokia sells each of those devices in just 1/10th to1/20th the scale of the leading competitor's single model, the simple multiplication laws applied will show them to sell the same amount. While neither of Nokia's devices would be immensely popular, they would share the same level of market share.

Nokia can reduce models, but can also improve those fewer models' appeal by making them better, and also reallocate the marketing budgets normally used for the extra models to increase exposure of the remaining models.

Companies have historically cut back on product portfolios to increase focus and profitabilty, like GM, for instance. This has long been a suggestion of analysts to improve Nokia. Not sure why you feel it is baseless. Care to expound on that?

If their sales are going down and they don't care about other markets (US, etc.) then the decrease in sales can only be contributed to the areas they do care about....Europe, etc. You can't have a decrease in sales in places you never had sales. When you read article about the Iphone and Droid doing well in those Nokia saturated markets you can only assume those smart phones are contributing to the decrease in nokia smartphone sales - again look at the numbers before telling me I am wrong, or just look at their stock price.
There have been slight sales decreases, but increased competition as well. They are still fairly dominant in the market, and the competitors are mostly also-rans. I don't agree that Nokia doesn't care about a particular market. For years, markets like the US refused to allow Nokia to use its USP, which was in depth features, as strategy. They conceded the market until forces demanded a presence for features, and carriers cooled to having an open accessibility to services other than those of the carrier. They've been extremely focused on the US for the pat couple years now.

Fan boy out all you want to, but you can't deny their sales figures are going down. I own a N97mini, N900, and sold off my Iphone awhile back. I want them to do well as I like their products. I am just stating the fact.
You should be careful throwing around insults. No one denies anything. I merely stated that the share of Expansys' sales were miniscule in the market, and they didn't even represent a typical retail perspective. Most Brits get devices in greater numbers at brick and mortar and other locations, hence their figures were akin to AdMob web traffic data: Insignificant.
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