folks,
Based on Carlos post, I'm just wondering, what would be the value of OS2007 on 770 if Nokia provides a ONE TIME bare bone and buggy backport and leave it to developers to fix the bugs and improve it?

We're all familiar with enhanced kernel images available on maemo.org, but these are based on a stable kernel image, so far provided by Nokia. Now, if various people pickup this UNFINISHED OS2007-770 and make their own changes, then, that notion of having a stable base is gone.

The major downside is that an application can work on some of these patched versions and fail on others, which would make it frustrating for developers (testing with multiple version) and users (their favorite apps might not work all on the same version).

It seems that if Nokia withdraws from maintaining the so called stable OS2007-770 base version, then, we, the community, need to take over; someone (or a team) need to maintain a kernel repository, receive patches (from various contributors), apply, test and release the next stable version.

Of course, people still can pickup that base and add their own favorite patches (e.g. IPv6 support) and publish them.

What do you think?

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Frank

No hope for 770 owners, final nail to 770's coffin.

Jaaksi made new blog entry and you can read more of it from Carlos's blog.

- No consumer Os2007 update for 770
- Developer version of Os2007 for 770 will not even offer all the functions of Os2006
- Old browser on Os2007 for 770
- It is ment for developers to develop for N800 using 770
- Os2007 for 770 has audio and video problems, no gtalk voip
- They are not interested of developing it much further

Conclusions:
- Nokia is not interested of 770 users, only developers
- Nokia's interest of 770 developers is limited to their capability to develop for N800 and move to it
- Some 770 developers will propably start to use Os2007 for 770, and join N800 owners who will not be interested of developing for Os2006 any more
- Some 770 developers time will be spent porting their application to N800, instead porting N800 applications to Os2006
- Even less support, applications and patches for 770 from developers can be expected

I know there will be some developers still developing for old and busted 770 in the future and I will be grateful to them. Still it won't change the fact that every move Nokia has made is killing 770's from people not interested or capable of hacking.

Let's not jump to conclusions.

Yes, it was always known that OS 2007 for 770 would keep the same levels of Flash & Opera, you really didn't expect differently did you? I'm still hopeful it will be useful enough for it to be a recommended install by the technical community/developers for end-users, even if Nokia can't (for understandable reasons) pitch that themselves.

What I am worried about is the fact that developers would have to (if they want to bring their app to a wider audience) take care of the issues for, now, THREE different platforms: 770-IT2006, 770-IT2007 and N800-IT2007, not counting 770-IT2005.

No, let's jump to conclusions. As soon as possible. If we had guessed Nokia will divide the community before all the work for Os2007 was done, maybe we could have been able to prevent it.

Developers, have no doubt about it, you with your softwares are selling majority of Internet Tablets to people. You have power. I, as an enthusiastic user, have been one of many putting forward good word about Internet Tablets.

Let's conclude Nokia will betray it's customers with N800 as it has done with 770. Let's conclude Nokia will divide Os if it will sell more Tablets and doesn't care that it will cause more and more work to developers. Let's tell to Nokia that it won't be tolerated before Nokia will put another divide to the developement budget and let's try make Nokia to put some money for Os2007/770 to it.

That's an overreaction, Invicta. All that inflammatory rhetoric does is further antagonize people already irritated.

I guess you there at Nokia's viral marketing and public relations department have had bad times during Nokias recent publicity flop...

I'd call for developer strike if I were developer, but unfortunately it's not my place and all I can do is rant at the forums.

Your psychic powers just completely failed you.

I don't blame you. People certainly have every right to be disappointed over some of the decisions being made. But while I don't fault your feelings, I really don't think the hyperbolic ranting helps in any way whatsoever... unless it's purely a cathartic thing.

Pressure from the community acheived one concession. That in and of itself was amazing, and everyone involved should be proud of the results. And maybe, just maybe, Nokia may budge a bit more but I doubt it. They're doing less than some companies, but more than most in these circumstances. But what else will it take to make protesters happy? Will everyone stop at a stable browser? Or will Nokia have to graft a webcam and additional SD card slot onto every existing 770? Replace the processor? Seriously, at what point do we stop demanding features be retrofit onto prior devices?

Come on. Let's calm down and be realistic. The rants about the company "killing" the 770 are overblown. Mine still works. It does everything I ask of it except allow me to bank online (and that's my bank's fault). If your 770 doesn't meet your own expectations, well, that is unfortunate, and you have every right to be angry. I just think some of the complaints go way too far.

Textrat, now, you're being dramatic. I always support respectful protest. Envicta's comments (regardless of the tone) are correct. Nokia is only interested in N800 development and is doing what they can to secure it.

We all understand the interests of a commercial company and we don't expect Nokia to be different. They have every right not to provide OS2007 on 770. But they have the obligation of fixing the bugs and improving features of OS2006.

I've talked about this in many messages, so, I don't repeat, only stating that if they sell an "Internet Tablet", then, they have to provide stable and compliant Internet experience on the device. While much improved, but still this is not the case 0n 770. For example, if fixing browser bugs on 770 means a new version of Opera (and licensing costs), then, Nokia has to do it; this is not Flash 9 upgrade. My iPod example again; Apple can state this device doesn't support WMA (as a media format), but can't say this device will sometimes play music and some other times won't.

If Nokia doesn't fix 770 bugs (on OS2006 or by providing OS2007) and we quietly accept, then, this will repeat with every new generation of Nxxx.

Just a general question: Does the fact that there will be no ITOS2007 for the 770 mean that the OS of the 770 will not be maintained and upgraded anymore?