Is there a way thave the appications menu work like programs do showing up in the dashboard when open and not closing unless explicitly told to (by clicking the blue X or clicking an empty area, but not when lauching a program) and not reseting the position after launching a prog (including both scrolling and which folder is open) ?

there is an alternative for this try "app search widget" its nice widget and it'll do the job!!

does it work the way i decribed?

No.
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=59010

Having read the question maybe 30 times now, I think I'm still not sure what is actually being asked. I'll take a few guesses though.

You hit the menu selector in the top left of the screen, up pops the icon list for anything having a .desktop entry. (at this point I no longer completely follow what you are asking)

Do you want some kind of indicator above each icon to show you which application is running, similar to the way symbian puts a little circle icon above any running program when you access the menu?

Do you want the application menu to look like the task switcher? That is, big windows for each application?

In the latter part of your question, I think you mean this: You have Catorise installed, all your programs are nicely laid out in a folder like structure - you open a program from one of the folders, then you close it, but instead of taking you back to that same menu position, it dumps you back at the home screen which is undesirable.

Am I close?

make a program that behaves just like the app menu, but it is a program and not the app menu, so while it's open, a thumbnail for it is present in the dashboard, oppening progs won't close it, if you scroll down, or go in a folder, unless you close the app menu prog, next time you go to it, it is in the same place

Like windows 3.11 (:

I understand what he's asking for, and I agree that in some circumstances that would be useful. It is sometimes annoying that the app launcher forgets the scroll position, for example, so a "persistant" app launcher that runs as a program could be useful for some.

It would rather require some radical work to achieve this, though. I guess the app launching code could be taken from hildon-desktop and somehow wrapped up as an application. Alternatively, someone could write a complete clone app launcher program.

On Win7 if you do Win+tab , one of the layers in the 3D card pile of programs is the desktop

also you would have a bigger surface area to click on in the dashboard to switch to the app menu if it had a thumbnail there