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zarco is offline zarco
2005-11-27 , 23:22
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Which are the advantages of the GPE mini browser.
Is it quicker? does it replace the opera or can you have both browsers?
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gultig is offline gultig
2005-11-28 , 06:05
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Truly, it's main feature is that it is open source. Not that, in the context of maemo, that isn't important. It's just that I'm waiting for MANaOS (Minimo).

Speaking of waiting: http://tonikitoo.blogspot.com/

Oh and yes, the browsers will run side by side.
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konttori is offline konttori
2005-11-28 , 14:51
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also better javascript support
 
Milhouse is offline Milhouse
2005-12-02 , 10:03
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Originally Posted by gultig
Truly, it's main feature is that it is open source. Not that, in the context of maemo, that isn't important. It's just that I'm waiting for MANaOS (Minimo).

Speaking of waiting: http://tonikitoo.blogspot.com/

Oh and yes, the browsers will run side by side.
Minimo is being developed by Doug Turner and he has evidence of Mnimo running on the 770 here. MANaOS appears to be embedded Mozilla (Gecko?) which is not the same as Minimo, I suspect "true" Minimo is (or will be) better tuned for the smaller devices.
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gultig is offline gultig
2005-12-02 , 16:46
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Originally Posted by Milhouse
Minimo is being developed by Doug Turner and he has evidence of Mnimo running on the 770 here. MANaOS appears to be embedded Mozilla (Gecko?) which is not the same as Minimo, I suspect "true" Minimo is (or will be) better tuned for the smaller devices.
I'm not sure what you mean. If you go to the link you gave to Doug's site it says that "Screen shots and alot of the work done by Antonio Gomes." which is who is working on MANaOS. And at Antonio's site it says
It uses a almost default Minimo build, except for the disabling XUL (--disable-xul specified on the mozconfig file (mozilla/minimo/config/mozconfig/linux_x86) and a simple extension for zoomming based on the colorzilla algorithm (this component is built in JS and suchs on a real device).
 
tonikitoo is offline tonikitoo
2005-12-02 , 22:47
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Dudes,

We do use the same Minimo build for MANaOS, and its UI is in GTK through. The main problem so far is the footprint -> 17mb

but anyhow, I promisse I'll be releasing MANaOS 0.2 sources/.deb/howtoinstall it before christmas

--Antonio Gomes
http:// tonikitoo dot blogspot dot com
 
andymulhearn is offline andymulhearn
2005-12-02 , 23:05
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Originally Posted by tonikitoo
Dudes,

We do use the same Minimo build for MANaOS, and its UI is in GTK through. The main problem so far is the footprint -> 17mb

but anyhow, I promisse I'll be releasing MANaOS 0.2 sources/.deb/howtoinstall it before christmas

--Antonio Gomes
http:// tonikitoo dot blogspot dot com
Toni (hope that's an acceptable short version of your name), where are the savings in size likely to come from? I can only see removal of features as a way of decreasing memory footprint - unless you're streets ahead of the other Firefox developers in terms of code optimisation
 
tonikitoo is offline tonikitoo
2005-12-05 , 15:15
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hey andy (hope that's an acceptable short version of your name as well ). That's a good and hard to anwser question. Well, we had some time ago a guy working full-time on compile options for code reduction, and we reliazed that it wouldn't be a piece of cake getting significant reduction through this path. But if you check the your target_dir/ (after 'make install') after building minimo, you'll notice some directories not relevant for us (they are for minimo, not for manaos), like

____'chrome'

[sbox-meamo: /usr/lib/mozilla-manaos-engine] > du -sh chrome/
3.0M chrome

____'res' - it could be also removed out (at least partially)

[sbox-meamo: /usr/lib/mozilla-manaos-engine] > du -s res/
928 res

, isn't it a good start point ?! I got 4 mb easily.

We are working on the mozconfig file as well. I hope to get 11 mb before the end of this year !

that's what I can say for instance ... What do you think ?

--Antonio Gomes
http:// tonikitoo dot blogspot dot com
 
Milhouse is offline Milhouse
2005-12-05 , 23:40
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Originally Posted by tonikitoo
We do use the same Minimo build for MANaOS, and its UI is in GTK through. The main problem so far is the footprint -> 17mb
Apologies for creating any confusion - look forward to future releases!
 
andymulhearn is offline andymulhearn
2005-12-06 , 13:23
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Originally Posted by tonikitoo
hey andy (hope that's an acceptable short version of your name as well ).
Yep

That's a good and hard to anwser question. Well, we had some time ago a guy working full-time on compile options for code reduction, and we reliazed that it wouldn't be a piece of cake getting significant reduction through this path.
I guessed as much. Short of crippling the browser by removing features, I guess there's not much that can be done.

But if you check the your target_dir/ (after 'make install') after building minimo, you'll notice some directories not relevant for us (they are for minimo, not for manaos), like

____'chrome'

[sbox-meamo: /usr/lib/mozilla-manaos-engine] > du -sh chrome/
3.0M chrome

____'res' - it could be also removed out (at least partially)

[sbox-meamo: /usr/lib/mozilla-manaos-engine] > du -s res/
928 res

, isn't it a good start point ?! I got 4 mb easily.
Definitely a good start

We are working on the mozconfig file as well. I hope to get 11 mb before the end of this year !

that's what I can say for instance ... What do you think ?
It's a very good improvement. I looked on my 770 and the Opera executable is around 4meg, though that doesn't included any specific libraries which are required. It also doesn't stop it using up to 21meg of RAM with some web pages though - the Lost episode guide for example And when you have two of those running for some reason, there's not a hell of a lot of memory left to run anything else.
 
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