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lohner is offline lohner
2011-06-07 , 09:37
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#51
Originally Posted by kevloral View Post
[...] Nokia is already dead (unless the Board kicks Elop today, not tomorrow).
Or unless Microsoft supports dem with big $$$ to push WP7 (or WP8). Not necessarily buying Nokia, but just helping out before smashup.
 
cloudstrife1ph is offline cloudstrife1ph
2011-06-07 , 10:06
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#52
nokia phones is still the best for me and it's painful seeing them being so lost after years of being the no. 1 manufacturer. the company is still living in the old days that it doesn't know what to do now in the present...

the confusing decisions / plans of nokia by pursuing something then going to be late then being cancelled then not really then slowly killing the favorite child is not helping them...

with the competition today and of all os available, choosing "windows mobile" is a very bad move thanks to it's bad reputation. the os itself is being hunted by its past to the point that's it's having a hard time redeeming itself now. kinda makes sense that the no. 1 manufacturer is choosing the no. 1 mobile os in the early years and both having issues of keeping up in the game now...

the competition keeps on releasing products as early as every two months while nokia still releases products 6-8 months after announcement. this way, they'll never gonna catch up in the race. with that large gap from announcement and release, the product feels old...
 
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2011-06-07 , 11:12
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#53
You're a bunch of whining old women. I still have my N900, why? there are two reasons.

1 there is nothing out there that looks tempting
2 It hasn't broken

And a third: I got a Wave (Bada) to keep me occupied.

The first WP/Nokia with hw keyboard I sure as hell will get. Why? there are two reasons.

1 there will be nothing out there that looks even remotely as tempting.
2. It will not break.

And by then Bada 2 will be out to keep me occupied.

To sum it up: Bada rox, but WP/Nokia rox more

Seriously, if you believe that Nokia/WP will fail you simply have no idea. All operators will love a third major contender. And Nokia/WP will be loved by the people.
 
Rauha is offline Rauha
2011-06-07 , 11:17
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#54
Originally Posted by ericsson View Post
Y And Nokia/WP will be loved by the people.
Why? Nobody cares about WP. Nokia WP phone will be more of the same in a bit different packaging. Only real difference is the Nokia logo. Even that has gone through serious devaluation during the past 12 months.

Meh.
 
abill_uk is offline abill_uk
2011-06-07 , 11:26
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#55
Originally Posted by kevloral View Post
Not if Ahonen is right and the carriers are boycotting Nokia phones. If they actually are, they won't let the first Nokia WP7 device be a hit so Nokia is already dead (unless the Board kicks Elop today, not tomorrow).
What will control the market is end user not carriers, they have no choice but to listen to there own customers.

This community does not seem to support Microsoft or its products it appears but the rest of the world does thats for sure so anything you read on here will be not the case i feel.

Microsoft are just way too big and a move like this will only bring success as a lot of thought has gone on behind the scenes even before an attempted merger took place !.

I think we are all in for a shock somehow.
 
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2011-06-07 , 11:59
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Originally Posted by abill_uk View Post
What will control the market is end user not carriers, they have no choice but to listen to there own customers.
I am afraid that history directly contradicts you. Carriers have always shown a notorious disregard for the needs and opinions of their customers and I don't see that somehow changing.

Think about n-gage, Wi-Fi, voIP, dual SIM and particularly about who it was that kicked Nokia out of the US market some years ago (yes, the carriers).

Originally Posted by abill_uk View Post
Microsoft are just way too big and a move like this will only bring success as a lot of thought has gone on behind the scenes even before an attempted merger took place !.
In the mobile world, Apple is way bigger than Microsoft and look at what has happened with the SIM-less iPhone5. Hey, Google is huge too and remember the great "success" the Nexus One was.

Originally Posted by abill_uk View Post
I think we are all in for a shock somehow.
Unfortunately, Nokia is. And it is not going to be nice.
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Originally Posted by kevloral View Post
Not if Ahonen is right and the carriers are boycotting Nokia phones. If they actually are, they won't let the first Nokia WP7 device be a hit so Nokia is already dead (unless the Board kicks Elop today, not tomorrow).
Well anything short of teleporting capability ("Beam me up, Scotty") in their phones, will not make me buy one.

Seriously, once the bad news were announced in February, I've immediately notified my family, friends, coworkers that buying Nokia phones is not a wise decission.

Even If they fire a CEO (which will not happen for some time, since he had the confidence of shareholders for his intentions), that will not make me recommend nokia phones for some time.

It is about credibility and reputation, and they have lost both in a single day. As it turns, it takes a lot more than one day to rebuild them.
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2011-06-07 , 12:51
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#58
Originally Posted by ericsson View Post
You're a bunch of whining old women. I still have my N900, why? there are two reasons.

1 there is nothing out there that looks tempting
2 It hasn't broken
ACK
Originally Posted by ericsson View Post
And a third: I got a Wave (Bada) to keep me occupied.
Does shell access come with that? root anyone? I am just curious, should be Linux underneath.
Originally Posted by ericsson View Post
The first WP/Nokia with hw keyboard I sure as hell will get. Why? there are two reasons.

1 there will be nothing out there that looks even remotely as tempting.
2. It will not break.
But doesn't the software bother you?
I want a UNIX in my pocket. All the Linux applications I'm familiar with. But this may just be me.
 
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2011-06-07 , 13:42
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Originally Posted by kevloral View Post
I am afraid that history directly contradicts you. Carriers have always shown a notorious disregard for the needs and opinions of their customers and I don't see that somehow changing.

Think about n-gage, Wi-Fi, voIP, dual SIM and particularly about who it was that kicked Nokia out of the US market some years ago (yes, the carriers).



In the mobile world, Apple is way bigger than Microsoft and look at what has happened with the SIM-less iPhone5. Hey, Google is huge too and remember the great "success" the Nexus One was.


Unfortunately, Nokia is. And it is not going to be nice.
I was not talking about the US but point taken as i know nothing of how they are there.

In the mobile world Apple may well be bigger than MS but i think the gap will close if MS have anything to do with it, Nokia can still be classed as the biggest mobile hardware producer this world has so you team that with the biggest software company this world has and something has to happen, wow you do not like MS do you but i agree with your points mostly.
 
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2011-06-07 , 13:46
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Originally Posted by momcilo View Post
Well anything short of teleporting capability ("Beam me up, Scotty") in their phones, will not make me buy one.

Seriously, once the bad news were announced in February, I've immediately notified my family, friends, coworkers that buying Nokia phones is not a wise decission.

Even If they fire a CEO (which will not happen for some time, since he had the confidence of shareholders for his intentions), that will not make me recommend nokia phones for some time.

It is about credibility and reputation, and they have lost both in a single day. As it turns, it takes a lot more than one day to rebuild them.
Why don't you wait and see what happens before you finalise your decision to break away from Nokia?.

Look at the situation Nokia were in from say 97 on and it was a downward turn so they were in deep water whatever they did due to bad software design mostly i might add, wait and see what becomes of the merger as i think we will all get a pleasent shock i hope .
 
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