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2011-06-16 , 11:43
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#5311
Originally Posted by raghu_mark View Post
Just a blunt question to everyone,

what kind of apps should be developed by Nokia / Community for the upcoming device ?
maemo5 emulator until all apps are ported to harmattan.
 
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2011-06-16 , 11:45
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#5312
Originally Posted by suy View Post
Freedom.

Microsoft Bans Open Source From the Windows Market

Plus, there is already Kontact Touch, or Marble To Go (mobile ports of important KDE applications). There will be for sure a decent amount of open source applications. The Harmattan UI or core apps might not be open source, but very important parts of the stack are.

There is also the standards support. The web and the office market is a rough place due to the use of MS proprietary formats. I can tolerate proprietary software that is compatible with good standards that make interoperability possible.
You can't possibly imagine how unenticing that sounds to a normal user.

Open Source prevails where and when developers understand that what matters is the end-result, not the philosophy. This has been true for Linux, Mozilla, and major libraries like WebKit.

Open standards and interoperability are desirable goals, but ones that are more and more shared by the big makers of proprietary software. Obviously someone like Microsoft is not going to be in a hurry to open up their formats, especially when everyone has already reverse-engineered them anyway. But if you look for example at what they are doing with Internet Explorer these days, you can see that they understand that they need to play well with others to be taken seriously.

Healthy competition is an effective way of keeping companies honest and highlighting the value of interoperability. Preaching however, is not.
 

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2011-06-16 , 11:48
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#5313
Originally Posted by Helmuth View Post
You're able to replace the Kernel at your N900 at the moment. I'm sure this was without the help from Nokia. Same goes to USB-OTG and Overclocking... perhapy you can answer your question yourself with a little bit or research.


If nobody takes the repos down, why not?
The repos can be easily mirrored, or created new ones with legacy packages.

I will get to the point: Are you 100% sure that closed-source drivers will work with Linux kernel 3.0? I've been following Linux kernel since 2.2.x series, and during that period at least two times the interfaces and functioning logic of drivers has been changed.

Yes I am aware that Stskeeps is dedicated to the further support of the binaries, and it seems that this is the best that can be done at the moment.

I am merely pointing out that your future support for CSSU DEPEND on Nokia.

In short: you have achieved limited victory, since your platform is still under corporate control.
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2011-06-16 , 11:52
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#5314
Originally Posted by Kozzi View Post
maemo5 emulator until all apps are ported to harmattan.
Well, that would work basically... You would need a chroot environment just like Easy Debian, but with Fremantle inside instead of pure Debian...
 

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2011-06-16 , 12:09
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#5315
Originally Posted by momcilo View Post
I will get to the point: Are you 100% sure that closed-source drivers will work with Linux kernel 3.0?
No I can't. And I don't know if this is really needed because I don't know if I really want to use a 600MHz Device after 2012. It runs well at the moment and currently it fulfilled mostly all of my needs. And thats it!

I don't see that WP7 is that flexible. Perhaps because of that it targets a different market and tries to get in direct competition with iOS. But not more.

And at iOS it's not even allowed to run a full working C64 emulator because of the dangerous BASIC interpreter language they must protect the user before. And I can see similarities at WP7.
 

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2011-06-16 , 12:45
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#5316
Originally Posted by suy View Post
There is also the standards support. The web and the office market is a rough place due to the use of MS proprietary formats. I can tolerate proprietary software that is compatible with good standards that make interoperability possible.
Yep. I don't mind closed source software. But closed protocols, API, file format... well, closed interactions, are a huge pain for me.

I know that people don't care. But in the end, it's still bad for them, because hell no, companies do not want you to interact with competitors products (and yet even the "masses" would like to).
 

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2011-06-16 , 13:01
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#5317
Originally Posted by raghu_mark View Post
Just a blunt question to everyone,

what kind of apps should be developed by Nokia / Community for the upcoming device ?

I would like to see a Good twitter app ..
I don't know what type of twitter app you like, but I intend to port Tweed Suit as soon as I have the SDK

I also remember hearing there's some twitter functionality integrated.
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2011-06-16 , 13:10
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#5318
are the drivers on this device gonna be open source
 

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2011-06-16 , 13:41
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#5319
Originally Posted by LTman View Post
are the drivers on this device gonna be open source
Depends on the hardware.

TI Omap 3630? It sports the PowerVR SGX530, so Forget about video drivers, Imagination release only the kernel parts (because of the GPL License); i asked them about the Intel Medfield GPU drivers, and they gave me this answer. As far as i know, there is no chance that some user could download these (closed-source) drivers.

ST-E U8500? (I reeeeeally hope so) It use the ARM Mali 400, here you can find the kernel and X11 parts, but you still need another part of the driver. [the big part of the driver]
This last part, unfortunately, it's provided under standard ARM commercial license, but, if ST-E is kind enough, we should be able to build a complete driver (but apparently not completely open-source, if the ARM commercial part is closed). [Forget about this]

EDIT: After some interesting mailing-list reads, the ARM Mali is not better than PowerVR. In fact ALL the Embedded GPUs use an open-source Kernel Base (they are forced by the GPL) and a closed-source User Base (where the magic happens). No difference from PowerVR, TegraGPU, Mali, Adeno or whatever.
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2011-06-16 , 14:07
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#5320
After a myriad of devices (770, N800, N810, N900) based on closed source drivers, it is reasonable to ask Nokia to release device that is truly open to other distributions especially since they decided to abandon maemo/meego.

If any of such device that we are tease about has 100% open source drivers, I will buy it.

Otherwise I will simply ignore it.

I hope some of you would agree with me.
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