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2011-06-25 , 02:03
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#171
Bad news is bad, but not news. That this was only released because of the promises they've made, a lot of us realized already.

It's no wonder if half the braintrust leaves Nokia like they do now, even if Elop is RIGHT, it still is hard to let go of as good an idea as MeeGo. And nobody really knows if he is right - infact, lots of **** indicates that he's running the company into an early grave.

I bet he lost a huge chunk of his top dynamic thinkers and doers.
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#172
Originally Posted by ysss View Post
FYI: in business, you can assume that anything that has not been inked in contract are still in constant negotiation.

It seems to me that Elop is as selfish as any professionals would be; he may have used MS as a stepping stone otw to where he is right now (top guy of the biggest mobile phone producer out there), but I doubt that his allegiance to MS is as blind as a fanboy's.

N9 and MeeGo, could be his bargaining chip against MS. If N9+MeeGo is successful, he will use it to gain more favorable terms in his dealings against MS (Since Nokia is gasping for breath/cash right now); and may use MeeGo on its own when Nokia is able to stand on its own again.
It's so refreshing to see someone Get It.


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I bet he lost a huge chunk of his top dynamic thinkers and doers.
No need to bet, we keep seeing the announcements.
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2011-06-25 , 16:02
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Has anybody considered this before talking about him getting fired by the board: Nokia are in Ballmers pocket, they made an agreement for billions of dollars, this includes the board who would know about this. We do not know the details of this agreement at all. It could include a contract for exclusive OS use. Meaning that once Nokias obligation to Intel for a meego handset had been met they would not, or rather cannot, create any other handsets with meego. The N9 is a past obligation handset to Intel, perhaps not one they even wanted to release after the deal with MS. This would explain Elops downplaying of meego and the WP7 leaks, they may not have a choice for some time, until the contract runs out.
 
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2011-06-25 , 16:28
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Originally Posted by pasih View Post
I'm fairly certain that overall Elop is executing board's earlier made decisions. But at the same time I assume that former CEO and now the chairman of the board Jorma Ollila wouldn't be this quick to say no to Meego. It's not Elop alone who can kill linux inside Nokia, but of course he's got a lot of power to drive it down.

The history will tell us what Elop was really like as a CEO. Whether he really disses anything else than Microsoft's products remains to be seen.

Personally I'm afraid that he came to Nokia to be prepped to succeed Ballmer as a CEO of Microsoft, and he lets nothing get in the way of Nokia becoming a Windows Phone-only house.

As a Finn and as a European I'm really sad that after Nokia moves to Windows Phone there are only three major players in the mobile OS industry: iOS, Android and WinPhone, and they are all American, and the companies behind them are not exactly the most consumer friendly ones.
We can fight back this and atleast make sure WP doesnt success in northeuropean. Northeuropeans should just boycott WP phones comming from Nokia and buy N9 even if MrFlop is trying to kill it and say it will not have apps etc...

Yeah I know we are very few people in northeur... but atleast we can make Meego alive in north european. I mean even norwegian people should dislike if Qt gets killed in the long run


Qt and part of Linux is a our innovations so dont let Microsoft killit.

I have ZERO respect for MS and even if the new WP7 phones from Nokia will have HDMI tripplecore CPU and adobeflash or whatever I will simply not buy it! Not even if this was the only opinion in the future then I beter not have a smartphone thats for sure.
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2011-06-25 , 16:52
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Guys, I don't get the article.

Because read here: http://www.tu.no/forbruker/article288395.ece

“People don’t need to worry about we not supporting MeeGo wholeheartedly.” – Oskar Södergren, Communication Manager Nokia Scandinavia

He says that WP7 is and will be the main platform, but MeeGo still lives as the disruptor.

Even a Norwegian representative said the same thing.

Shut up with that finnish newspaper already!
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Originally Posted by HaugMedia View Post
Guys, I don't get the article.

Because read here: http://www.tu.no/forbruker/article288395.ece

“People don’t need to worry about we not supporting MeeGo wholeheartedly.” – Oskar Södergren, Communication Manager Nokia Scandinavia

He says that WP7 is and will be the main platform, but MeeGo still lives as the disruptor.

Even a Norwegian representative said the same thing.

Shut up with that finnish newspaper already!
This is exactly what i was saying here before already.
Even if Helsingin Sanomat quoted it all wrong the word is already out and you are not going to change that.

Elop or some Nokia spokesperson would have said something officially the day HS published the article if he did not mean it or did not want this to happen. Bloomberg and Business week where quoting it the day it came out.
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#177
the finns have lost it a long time ago when they put Elop in charge of the whole operation thats why the company moving out very soon...
 
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2011-06-25 , 17:08
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#178
well thanks to this thread and the article, we might get a straigh answer from the CEO himself about support for N9.
 
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2011-06-25 , 17:40
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Originally Posted by Kozzi View Post
well thanks to this thread and the article, we might get a straigh answer from the CEO himself about support for N9.
What makes you think 1) Elop reads this forum? 2) Gives a damn about what poeple post on here if he does?

Either he's a clown when it comes to being a CEO, which I doubt, or destroying the meego good news story is all part of his plan.
 
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2011-06-25 , 17:49
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Originally Posted by droitwichgas View Post
What makes you think 1) Elop reads this forum? 2) Gives a damn about what poeple post on here if he does?

Either he's a clown when it comes to being a CEO, which I doubt, or destroying the meego good news story is all part of his plan.
Elop reads Engadget,

http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/25/n...he-n9-is-a-hi/

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Source: Helsingin Sanomat
 
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