Originally Posted by Rauha

N900 was marketed in same way. Youtube videos, blogger stuff and viral marketing.

While at the time Symbian devices received what WP7 will receive now, ie. TV ads, billboards, ads on public transport etc.

Originally Posted by misterc

thanks for giving us an example of what is so exhausting on TMO
ppl read a post, or even several posts by different ppl, saying basically the same thing, and the reaction is... you don't know what you are talking about

EDIT: maybe this is all about admitting one is wrong.
or, even without having to be that extreme, has missed some of facts; btdt on the EPIC N9 announcement thread.
guess the N9 wouldn't be any different if it had a hw kbd; it would make some of us happier (those who won't be able to get a N950), some unhappier (those who wouldn't have gotten a FREE N950 ) and a nearly infinitely waste majority... not caring a rat's @$$

i'll leave it up to erendorn to go more into the microeconomic aspects if s/he feels up to it.

i'll simply add a remark; NOKIA's rigidity which has been denounced so often isn't just a NOKIA feature; most companies growing past a certain size become... big administrations.
budgets, head counts, IF LUCKY (!) a R&D dptmnt with its budgets & head counts...
it isn't quite as bad as the five years plans from the old USSR, but yes, it still makes for an awfully inefficient rigidity

unfortunately Maemo was still at this R&D stage even after the release of the N900.
maybe (MAYBE!) in a "more dynamic" company like iPotatos or Google one could have walked right into Steve Jobs' or Eric Schmidt's office and shouted out "I GOT THE NEXT BIG THING... let's just manufacture the N900 en masses!!!!"

@ NOKIA this was apparently not possible (any more?), @ least not 'til Flop sent out an e-mail to all employees asking them to come up with ideas... and replying personally to some 2000 answers he got :-o

maybe also the fact that they still could throw practically any rubbish at the masses & still sell millions of it (N97, anyone? or maybe the 5800 you keep bringing up?).


so why push out the N900 too quickly & risk a failure like the 7710 (too early, too buggy, not ready for the masses) and ruin the whole project?
Symbian was still selling well enough, wasn't it?

the 2nd N900 i bought recently was a 2nd hand still with warranty running 'til beginning next year.
the guy bought it earlier this year, spent the 1st week-end downloading all the FREE applications for Maemo he could put his stylus on... and put it back into the box
maybe he was hoping for MeeGo being... more user friendly? having more (free) 3rd party software applications (aka ecosystem)?

however, a few weeks ago he realized that wasn't going to happen (YET) and thus was on the market


sad story (with happy ending for me), but most potential customers either listend to some sales guy in the shop or to a geek friend (one of us, maybe?) and... moved on to an iPotato or android device, leaving the N900 on the shelf
alas

is the N9 going to be any different?
apparently not

Originally Posted by gerbick

So the N9... with that aforesaid, will sell whatever it sells. Nokia has no expectations for it. Meanwhile, they're gearing up with a $130 million dollar campaign to sink into Windows Phone 7.

Originally Posted by steveburczymucha

Haven't I told you how I like homegrown analysts?

Ballmer during his keynote speech at the 2011 Microsoft Worldwide Partner Conference (WPC 2011) admitted WP7 is failure.

Originally Posted by steveburczymucha

Ballmer during his keynote speech at the 2011 Microsoft Worldwide Partner Conference (WPC 2011) admitted WP7 is failure.

Originally Posted by misterc

thanks for giving us an example of what is so exhausting on TMO
ppl read a post, or even several posts by different ppl, saying basically the same thing, and the reaction is... you don't know what you are talking about

EDIT: maybe this is all about admitting one is wrong.
or, even without having to be that extreme, has missed some of facts; btdt on the EPIC N9 announcement thread.
guess the N9 wouldn't be any different if it had a hw kbd; it would make some of us happier (those who won't be able to get a N950), some unhappier (those who wouldn't have gotten a FREE N950 ) and a nearly infinitely waste majority... not caring a rat's @$$

i'll leave it up to erendorn to go more into the microeconomic aspects if s/he feels up to it.

i'll simply add a remark; NOKIA's rigidity which has been denounced so often isn't just a NOKIA feature; most companies growing past a certain size become... big administrations.
budgets, head counts, IF LUCKY (!) a R&D dptmnt with its budgets & head counts...
it isn't quite as bad as the five years plans from the old USSR, but yes, it still makes for an awfully inefficient rigidity

unfortunately Maemo was still at this R&D stage even after the release of the N900.
maybe (MAYBE!) in a "more dynamic" company like iPotatos or Google one could have walked right into Steve Jobs' or Eric Schmidt's office and shouted out "I GOT THE NEXT BIG THING... let's just manufacture the N900 en masses!!!!"

@ NOKIA this was apparently not possible (any more?), @ least not 'til Flop sent out an e-mail to all employees asking them to come up with ideas... and replying personally to some 2000 answers he got :-o

maybe also the fact that they still could throw practically any rubbish at the masses & still sell millions of it (N97, anyone? or maybe the 5800 you keep bringing up?).


so why push out the N900 too quickly & risk a failure like the 7710 (too early, too buggy, not ready for the masses) and ruin the whole project?
Symbian was still selling well enough, wasn't it?

the 2nd N900 i bought recently was a 2nd hand still with warranty running 'til beginning next year.
the guy bought it earlier this year, spent the 1st week-end downloading all the FREE applications for Maemo he could put his stylus on... and put it back into the box
maybe he was hoping for MeeGo being... more user friendly? having more (free) 3rd party software applications (aka ecosystem)?

however, a few weeks ago he realized that wasn't going to happen (YET) and thus was on the market


sad story (with happy ending for me), but most potential customers either listend to some sales guy in the shop or to a geek friend (one of us, maybe?) and... moved on to an iPotato or android device, leaving the N900 on the shelf
alas

is the N9 going to be any different?
apparently not