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2012-02-02
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Originally Posted by MINKIN2
one of those Bllamers too, are you ?
Nice to see another Ashens fan hereIf you haven't already I would recommend seeing the Pandora review.
Anyhoo, back on topic
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maybe u have to think at the problem less deeply, and just see that nokia lost the train.
as long as the other devices, and after android got a lot of updates, programs, games, nokia did not do anything. for about 2 years no other great devices, or something else. they waited too much with this WP thing, but, probably, if they stay can wait enough, and prove themself as serious, with a lot of support for the devices they sell ( not as for n900 ), probably they will manage to take some of the market.
from my point of view is just a matter of timing and os maturity. wp is at the begining, did not proved that deserved to be bought, but, at least theorethically would have a great pothential, which is not demonstrated yet.
as long as the other devices, and after android got a lot of updates, programs, games, nokia did not do anything. for about 2 years no other great devices, or something else. they waited too much with this WP thing, but, probably, if they stay can wait enough, and prove themself as serious, with a lot of support for the devices they sell ( not as for n900 ), probably they will manage to take some of the market.
from my point of view is just a matter of timing and os maturity. wp is at the begining, did not proved that deserved to be bought, but, at least theorethically would have a great pothential, which is not demonstrated yet.
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Originally Posted by gerbick
Harmattan is a thin layer over linux, linux has probably best support for hardware and it is very good at running om multicore processors.
I could go deeper, but let's put it this way. Harmattan is a version 1 rewrite/release that will probably not get any updated due to Nokia's CEO. WP7 is a version 1 rewrite/release that will get updates due to Microsoft's CEO - and Nokia. Too bad Harmattan will not get the chance it needs to mature.
Originally Posted by gerbick
How many good applications is out that is done i java? Is +90% of the best applications done in C++?
The rest of your argument - Qt, et al - how many Qt devs are there out there versus Java, C/C++ and even Visual Studio developers?
Placing applications that is done by people that is learning to program and call those "one more app" isn't what customers want, they want good apps.
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Originally Posted by ioncelmare
That is not the problem, the problem is that they av put all apples in one basket. Doing that they are also making current customers angry.
maybe u have to think at the problem less deeply, and just see that nokia lost the train.
Customers will leave Nokia because Nokia didn't care about its customers
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2012-02-03
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nokia will be die
but maemo will live forever, i hope someday another company will bring us back maemo with more capable hardware, dualcore maemo5 with multitouch and 1gb of ram, nokia is never care about their customer, left them behind, what a stupid CEO and principal of a 'big' company, lol
but maemo will live forever, i hope someday another company will bring us back maemo with more capable hardware, dualcore maemo5 with multitouch and 1gb of ram, nokia is never care about their customer, left them behind, what a stupid CEO and principal of a 'big' company, lol
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Can we change the title of.this thread yet? I posted the actual text and it is obvious he is.saying nokia needs to do a better job in general with retail, and.i think they will. It doesnt take much to seduce sales lackeys...
anyway, the point is, i am going to bat here Mr elop, some recompense please. pM me.
anyway, the point is, i am going to bat here Mr elop, some recompense please. pM me.
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Originally Posted by ossipena
You should educate yourself better. Vertu is a small cliche product and sales are counted probably in hundreds instead of billion as it is with nokias dumbphones. Somewhat describing results from WP sales are out in Q3/12, not a day earlier. And strategy changes alltogether show visible results in ~2 years (ahem iPhone)
Vertu has insanely large profit margins given that they barely spend anything on the device development - apart from the materials, I'd bet you that most of their operating costs are on marketing - they just take a vanilla Nokia, encrust it with diamonds, rubies, sapphires, gold, platinum, expensive leather... and sell it to a rich sheik or televangelist inflated for like 500% the production price.
Yes, the market for such devices is small, but the profit compared to what goes into making it is immensely large, thus bringing the question - why would you want to sell such a cash cow? Yes, it doesn't produce as much cash as the others, but it's entirely self-sustaining and at the end of the year adds what they've collected to the company's till.
Never mind that they would probably be able to sell to some of their competitors at quite a low price because of its deep ties with Nokia.
Originally Posted by gerbick
I'm not quite sure what you people expected. You're celebrating the further decline of Nokia based on their decision to support WP7... we knew it wasn't going to sell even if you did slap on a Nokia label on it. WP7 ain't selling anywhere.
And some people think it's failing because it's great...
This goes into the same bin as "the world hates USofA because of our democracy."
And even if so - karma's a biach! The way the market and consumers are ignoring them is well deserved. Too bad that due to the Elop's loony decision, they'll drag Nokia down with them. Not that Nokia didn't deserve a nice slap, too...
Originally Posted by misterc
Symbian is taken care of by Accenture now and has @ least two (major) releases (Carla & Donna) already on the works (Carla will require 1GHz CPU & Donna will support dual-core)
Carla won't require 1GHz, it's a minor update to Belle just as Anna was a minor update to the vanilla S^3. There are bug reports for Carla on E7 in the Nokia's dev list...
Originally Posted by abubakar
Maybe he somehow just believes that when in trouble, instead of innovating one should just sell himself to others. This is what they did with macromedia, which probably worked out good for them, but that is not the way for all companies.
Macromedia was not in trouble at all. They were actually cutting into Adobe's turf at the point of sale, and their assets provided Adobe with a lot of profit since then. Flash, however, suffered immensely in the process, but that's a whole other story...
Originally Posted by gerbick
The rest of your argument - Qt, et al - how many Qt devs are there out there versus Java, C/C++ and even Visual Studio developers?
Compared to Java and general C/C++, far less of course. But as it is now, I'd bet you that there are more Qt devs than Silverlight and XNA (or the ones willing work with the shaved XNA that is in WP) devs. After all, there are far more Java and C/C++ devs than C# devs even if you go with a general .NET.
Not to mention that even if Microsoft allows for native execution in WP8, I'd bet you that you'll have to use .NET-based wrappers and some WP-only APIs, thus effectively having the same restrictions as in the WP7, but with a code that can execute faster.
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Originally Posted by gosh
Until the UI/UX and other bits outside of the kernel has threading and is implemented on a real multiple-core piece of hardware, that's speculation based on the kernel. At the kernel level, iOS supports threaded and multiple cores - took until now for it to do so.
Harmattan is a thin layer over linux, linux has probably best support for hardware and it is very good at running om multicore processors.
Proof is in the hardware. OMAP3 isn't helping that.
How many good applications is out that is done i java? Is +90% of the best applications done in C++?
Placing applications that is done by people that is learning to program and call those "one more app" isn't what customers want, they want good apps.
Considerably less. "Good" is an opinion. I was talking solely about the amount of developers per platform. Qt is in the minority.
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Originally Posted by zwer
Be careful with that one. XNA devs also dev XBOX Live games - that's quite a bit of people. And via Mono.XNA (or whatever it's called, forgot) that covers iOS as well.
But as it is now, I'd bet you that there are more Qt devs than Silverlight and XNA (or the ones willing work with the shaved XNA that is in WP) devs. After all, there are far more Java and C/C++ devs than C# devs even if you go with a general .NET.
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I could go deeper, but let's put it this way. Harmattan is a version 1 rewrite/release that will probably not get any updated due to Nokia's CEO. WP7 is a version 1 rewrite/release that will get updates due to Microsoft's CEO - and Nokia. Too bad Harmattan will not get the chance it needs to mature.
The rest of your argument - Qt, et al - how many Qt devs are there out there versus Java, C/C++ and even Visual Studio developers?
Seriously.