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2012-02-05 , 08:38
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Nokia has really shot itself in the foot, and unless they fire Flop (or he gets brainwashed by TMO ninja apes), they're going nowhere fast with WP.

The iPhone took off immediately after release.
People were rushing to get a G1.
WP7 was immediately met with stiff criticism from alienated (and very vocal on XDA) WM6 fans.
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2012-02-05 , 09:19
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Originally Posted by ossipena View Post
you can say whatever you want, I want to have official figures because IMO this prediction stuff only makes you look like a fool.
if you want to wait next year to make your "forecasts" for this year, i think Wizard may have had a point...
 
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2012-02-05 , 10:28
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Originally Posted by ossipena View Post
Actually nokia is burning helluva piles of money by keeping symbian development running. Running it down symbian releafs approximately 6800 employers nokia doesn't need to pay salary after this year. Care to calculate financials? 6800 people x 4250€(this is probably couple thousand euros too small. it is 2500€ plus employment costs in finland). Approximately 29M€ per month. Then employer naturally needs to pay 13 months salary per year in Finland. 3,7B€..... and what have they gotten with that ~4B€ in an year? A bit under 50% of Nokias revenues in 2011. Well, Belle has been installed to some phones, my N8 probably still waits the update, haven't switched it on for a while. It is a simple what if calculation: what if symbian was driven forward full speed without sacking people and the strategy fails even without ceo saying bad things about the os?
spring 2011 AT&T showed interest in selling the NOKIA X7 (if memory serves well) in the US... the 2nd largest provider of the country, so far having the iPotato monopoly in the US...
that was six months after the "burning platform" memo & a couple months after Flopocalypses... NOKIA turned it down

even though NOKIA Belle isn't outselling Android, not even iOS, objective mobile phone critics agree that the revamped Symbian starts to show promises and fans are getting quite excited.
more then you can say about LostDOS Paralyzed, isn'it?

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I don't even know why I am hanging out here still, now it has been long enough from burning platform -memo to consider about everything that has been said and processing the shock about major changes in nokia. Processing major changes is always an issue for people who always tend to hang on tightly to something they have accustomed to. But after time passes one should start thinking about things more objectively and analyze why oneself has thought something and reassess if it was sane in the first place. Symbian will be buried, maemo will be testing platform for new ideas (as it has been all its life, only the usability has rocketed since 770 to at least nearly match any modern smartphone, maemo has always had some radical features nowhere to be seen in top seller phones) and WP will be the main platform.
indeed, NO REvolution, Evolution...
any stochastic change tend to be unbalanced (by definition) and tend to return... to the initial state or a condition close to it (see October revolution as a patent historical example...)
Flopocalypse was a revolution, NOKIA after the Flop will look very much like the NOKIA before it (Symbian or whatever is left of it and some foray into "disruptive technologies")
the longer they wait, the worse it'll be.
EDIT: who knows, maybe they'll fall back to boots...

and yes, iPhone & Co was a revolution...
the difference? already in 2007, Apple had the cash to afford a total loss at the small scale they started it.
that it is meanwhile the most sold smart phone (by individual device) is the result of a bet Steve Jobs was willing to make and could afford.

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e: I forgot one essential thing with 3 letters:
IBM
http://www.economist.com/node/18805483

It hasn't been kept alive by hangin on to magnetic tapes, is it?
i shouldn't even bother, but, hell, got that far...
BIG BLUE isn't doing PCs, Laptops, tablets or the like anymore;
they outsourced that business to Lenovo, just like NOKIA outsourced Symbian to Accenture.
the Lenovo K800 has nothing repeat nothing to do with IBM
capiche?

but yes, BIG BLUE, just like HP, Xerox (GM?, Chrysler?) is one of the blue chips that has been around for a long time & most likely will still be around... in the future.
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2012-02-05 , 12:27
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Originally Posted by misterc View Post
if you want to wait next year to make your "forecasts" for this year, i think Wizard may have had a point...
I am not making any forecasts, stop putting words to my mouth.
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2012-02-05 , 12:37
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Originally Posted by misterc View Post
something showing that the whole point was missed by million lightyears
Indeed... no matter how much symbian would improve, still its success would completely dictate nokias fate. If it fails, nokia fails. If WP fails, nokia can just stop paying license payments to ms at the same second, no need to wait for an year or more to get rid from paying own (ex)employers..

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i shouldn't even bother, but, hell, got that far...
BIG BLUE isn't doing PCs, Laptops, tablets or the like anymore;
they outsourced that business to Lenovo, just like NOKIA outsourced Symbian to Accenture.
the Lenovo K800 has nothing repeat nothing to do with IBM
capiche?

but yes, BIG BLUE, just like HP, Xerox (GM?, Chrysler?) is one of the blue chips that has been around for a long time & most likely will still be around... in the future.

exactly! just as Nokia isn't doing OS development (outside R&D projects such as maemo) anymore... big blue is still around because they have the balls to stop what they are doing and focus elsewhere they can compete (khrm nokia and HW manufacturing + logistics) if future doesn't seem that bright.
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2012-02-05 , 13:04
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Originally Posted by ossipena View Post
Indeed... no matter how much symbian would improve, still its success would completely dictate nokias fate. If it fails, nokia fails.
Why just having one operating system? Nokia can do Symbian, Meego, Android and WP.

Is there not possible to run andriod on N9 with meego soon? It is just java, a vm on top of the operating system.

What Nokia is doing that is failing badly is that they are putting all apples in one basket. And they are focusing on the worst possible solution
 
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The only thing that can possibly work (assuming win devs would have a hard time switching to maemo, not so sure at this point, expecting quality devs in M$, even if legacy stuff makes them most hated, or just most-used-platform getting most-popular-hate) and hopefully is a plan from the beginning:
fire all maemo/harmattan devs as we cuddle with WP, WP fails completely, hey guys we didn't mean it, but stock plunge and world crisis makes us offer you 1/2-3/4 of what you've been paid so far. Hope some will return. Then there is also option of M$ buying Nokia. Ballmer probably won't, but Gates could gain some pr points in funding open-source mobile OS for africa (and TMO), not like this would be a massive hit to android/iOS and not even a graze for desktops
 
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2012-02-05 , 13:16
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Originally Posted by gosh View Post
Why just having one operating system? Nokia can do Symbian, Meego, Android and WP.

Is there not possible to run andriod on N9 with meego soon? It is just java, a vm on top of the operating system.

What Nokia is doing that is failing badly is that they are putting all apples in one basket. And they are focusing on the worst possible solution
Because having devs for one OS is straining enough financially. Quadruple R&D is not economically viable. Check few posts up, costs are HUGE
 
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Microsoft will not buy Nokia, that is very bad business. Microsoft will not sell more mobile phones than Nokia does

I think Microsoft is using Nokia to gain some market share until the can focus harder with Apollo. If Nokia dies spending money on something that is good for Microsoft, it doesn't matter. This is just business and a very good deal for Microsoft
 
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2012-02-05 , 13:23
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Originally Posted by szopin View Post
Because having devs for one OS is straining enough financially. Quadruple R&D is not economically viable. Check few posts up, costs are HUGE
Why do you need to have a lot of devs and do heavy R&D?
 
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