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2012-09-06 , 16:27
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The board and Elop should be fired before they move on with the windows strategy.
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2012-09-06 , 16:33
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Originally Posted by skripis View Post
I wonder what the board is thinking about the stock development on the day of the big launch?

Do they really not understand that the market was expecting a Pure-Pureview WP8 device, not todays "Lumia900S"?
No. That's not the problem. The phones were well received. The problem was that they didn't out a release date and price. The market wanted to hear that the phones would be out soon, and not the last week of December only after the Christmas sales, etc. as is typical to Nokia. The market wanted to hear that the phones would be out by late October, or sooner. I have no idea why Nokia didn't say anything apart from Q4, but I suspect it's because MS didn't allow..
 
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2012-09-06 , 17:32
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Originally Posted by shinogami View Post
Bought 420 Nokia stocks the other day at 2.4€ a piece, thinking they can only go up. Right now, my investment is worth 200€ less. Hah. Anyway, I'm confident, in the long run, I will make killer profits 8). In fact, I'm thinking I should buy 420 more stocks if they go below 1.5€. From what I gather, the current downfall is not due to bad reception of the new phones, but the fact that they didn't set a release date. I'm hoping very hard that the rumors are true, and that they'll be available at the end of October. Also hoping that the rumors about iPhone 5 turn out to be true, and that it's just a lame incremental update with no new features to speak of..
some analyse ppl in sweden beleives nokia may have around 5 percent of the market in the longrun... If you thinls thats good its stands for you...
 
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2012-09-06 , 17:36
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing View Post
some analyse ppl in sweden beleives nokia may have around 5 percent of the market in the longrun... If you thinls thats good its stands for you...
Just yesterday I read about an analyst who said it's almost certain that Nokia stock price will top at least 5€ a piece next year. I also recall reading an analysis that predicted > 20% market share for WP towards the end of 2013. Anyway, I think all analysts are full of **** and just guessing. Some of their guesses may be more educated than others..
 
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2012-09-06 , 17:37
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Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
And you know that when the iPhone 5 is announced, a date and price will be stated.

They need to stop doing that. Announce, release, ship all with specifics on the spot.
wasnt samsung announce a wp device? Did they give price/avaible time? Just wonder because it seems related to microsoft cant give date to theyr OS even if Eflop said wp was more ready than meego 2011
 
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2012-09-06 , 18:25
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Originally Posted by Dave999 View Post
danramos. whats wrong with them?

I love to have options.

EDIT: Danramos, do you ever explain what you mean or you just negative trolling all the time without reason?
I think I already pointed it out a couple of times. The specs aren't particularly wow-worthy in mid-2012 anymore and the marketing for them isn't helping now that they're being proven faked.

Originally Posted by shinogami View Post
There's absolute no proof that they faked the stills. In fact, they even specifically state that they were taken with the Lumia 920. Hands on experimenting goes to show that the camera is quite amazing in low light conditions. Or did they fake that too somehow, just because we all dislike Elop so much?
Seriously? First--you clearly didn't pay attention to the evidence that was being shown in those articles I posted. Second--Nokia already came out to admit they were faked and apologized for them being misleading.

Here.. here's one of the PLETHORA of articles pointing out that they're apologizing, in case it helps:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/st...a-fake-ad.html

Go back a page or two and bother to read the posts before you try to play smart with me. You're making yourself look unqualified.

Originally Posted by Dave999 View Post
The board and Elop should be fired before they move on with the windows strategy.
I agree with that, but diversification and actually asking customers what they want in a product they would buy might also be the only proper solution at this point, in my opinion. The Microsoft monoculture that Nokia has set itself upon was never a winning strategy and has proven itself out as a losing strategy even more every day that passes.

Originally Posted by shinogami View Post
No. That's not the problem. The phones were well received. The problem was that they didn't out a release date and price. The market wanted to hear that the phones would be out soon, and not the last week of December only after the Christmas sales, etc. as is typical to Nokia. The market wanted to hear that the phones would be out by late October, or sooner. I have no idea why Nokia didn't say anything apart from Q4, but I suspect it's because MS didn't allow..
Along with the news of faked "sample photos" and "sample videos" marketing, this also makes it smell like vapourware--even if there are prototypes about. I think that might be premature, honestly, but it DOES make it smell a little like it.

And also.. isn't it AWESOME that Microsoft can micro-manage Nokia from afar like that? All the risk, with very little to personally lose should this all fail miserably (as it has so far). Microsoft doesn't have to be the one to report it all to regulators like the Securities & Exchange Commission (SEC) nor stockholders the way Nokia has to and make it look like a thorough failure on their own shoulders. This gives Microsoft a chance to blame the other guy! Nokia 2012 = Kin 2010

Originally Posted by mikecomputing View Post
wasnt samsung announce a wp device? Did they give price/avaible time? Just wonder because it seems related to microsoft cant give date to theyr OS even if Eflop said wp was more ready than meego 2011
Perhaps--but it hardly matters when the whole company isn't hitched to the Microsoft crazy train.
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I doubt there is some company who has such good camera as 920 or 808 in case of light. I would go for one if it run harmattan. For me camera specs is important. There is so many crapmobile cameras. n9 is good but could be better in lowlight/inhouse. I really hope jolla atleast compete with n9 on camera but...

but anyway if someone proves me wrong, give me the company.

however I would not be suprised see samsung next year show similar. Because of the facts that samsung is biggest copycat atm...

and btw about the fake? You people cant be serius if you think any company does NOT fake theyr marketting videos? The only stupidness in this is nokia should just had shutup after it was shown..
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#238
Do you think this is fake? One of the best promotions I've seen in a long time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7TB8b2t3QE

I'm really tired of stage announcment. I want live life announcment.
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2012-09-06 , 19:58
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Originally Posted by danramos View Post
Seriously? First--you clearly didn't pay attention to the evidence that was being shown in those articles I posted. Second--Nokia already came out to admit they were faked and apologized for them being misleading.

Here.. here's one of the PLETHORA of articles pointing out that they're apologizing, in case it helps:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/st...a-fake-ad.html

Go back a page or two and bother to read the posts before you try to play smart with me. You're making yourself look unqualified.
They didn't fake the stills, just the video. They specifically stated this. Some website claims that the night-shots were faked because of the way some lights looked. It didn't make any sense to me, and not a single techblog is reporting it, only the part about the video with the reflection of the van.

Note: The Lumia 920 pictures in this post were taken using prototype hardware and software, and then reduced dramatically in size. In addition, the OIS video, above, was not shot using the Lumia 920. We apologise for any confusion on this point.
http://conversations.nokia.com/2012/...he-next-level/
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2012-09-06 , 20:39
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here's the demo they showed on the keynote, not as spectacular but it compares the s3 and 920
http://youtu.be/6HSbhyaH0vw

the still with the night shot and light flares of the girl with moving traffic are NOT the 920, because flares require smaller aperture, this one
Source:http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_lumia_...-news-4769.php

but the girl in the park i believe are actual pics of the 920, this one

however here's a demo of the 920, s3, and 4s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYYr1cG8hEY
NOTE:flash with the 920 was a focusing light not a flash.
source: video itself.

but with anything announce i reserve final judgment till the final product that i can see for myself, especially the ips display. i love amoled and "always on" clock and notifications

till then still wanna look at nexus device and gonna use my n900

cheers!
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