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2008-01-13
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#132
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Originally Posted by ghoonk
If Nokia really designed it with media playback in mind, then why did they deliver it with cheaped-out video playback capabilities? This thing has an 800x480 screen, but to play back anything above 400x240, you have to drop to insanely low fps settings.
4. Offline media playback - it plays most of the file formats that I use. I encoded a nice bunch of clips (Jeff Dunham's Achmed the Dead Terrorist clips), anime series (Bleach / Initial D) and movies (Independence Day). I have over 15 albums of my favourite music, and Canola 2 plays them back with style
Same remark re music playback: Gapless isn't possible by design. That's not a very smart design decision for a music player, is it?
5. Internet Communications - VoIP and IM. Skype, Gizmo and the built-in apps get the job done well. Works as promised.
Nokia has never marketed the iT as anything else, and certainly never meant for it to be used for document generation and all the resource-hungry purposes that so many people are trying to get working on the device.
One does not buy an Armani suit and then try to use it for skydiving or ice hockey, and then go around complaining that it rips too easily and stains don't come off it, and that it's too expensive for what it is.
Remember the iT for what it was built for. If it does anything beyond what it is touted to do, that's a bonus. If it doesn't, then someone bought the wrong device
The N8x0 is an Internet tablet. That what it was built for
Also, the blatant leeching off the community is becoming embarrassing, to say the least. I am really, really, really disappointed; I was hoping (and I have voiced this repeatedly) that Nokia was trying to learn how to cope with Open Source and only made mistakes by -- well, by mistake. But now it appears that Nokia is not only not learning, but is actually moving away from what it should have learned. It seems Jaaksi's repeated hypocrisy is exactly reflecting the Nokia mentality.
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2008-01-13
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#133
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I guess this is to everyone in the topic:
well, according to the argument (n800 isnt -entirely- meant for what its originally advertised to be), what would this exactly mean for someone who simply wants an internet tablet to maybe play a few 3rd party games and apps, run somes rss, work with school taking notes and such, listen to their favorite music via dual sdhc cards (
) and maybe watch a movie now and then..?
does it say "no" to really bothering with a n800 all-together? Or not.
thats all i want it for.. I saw doom, I saw quake.. I saw some emulators.. and everything else is just a plus. I can take it to school for classes, check mail etc.. OH and really, can anyone point to me a clip of the video chat? How good is it? Can this thing get at least a solid 15fps? 20, for wishfull thinking, perhaps? 30?
My biggest perks on this:
1) internet browsing
2) video chat/calls (someone please tell me Karel is exaggerating..)
3) note-taking via sketch program etc
4) MUSIC.. omg, music. Mp3's only
5) maybe some video.. basic avi, wma, mpeg
I WANT ONE FOR THE BASICS, PPL!
For those five reasons, is the N800 worth my money? Can someone please tell me this? because I was also thinking of getting my gf one too.. shed been looking for something like this..
And I've only played with my friends n770, but the n800 looked promising.. please, let me know otherwise.
well, according to the argument (n800 isnt -entirely- meant for what its originally advertised to be), what would this exactly mean for someone who simply wants an internet tablet to maybe play a few 3rd party games and apps, run somes rss, work with school taking notes and such, listen to their favorite music via dual sdhc cards (
) and maybe watch a movie now and then..?does it say "no" to really bothering with a n800 all-together? Or not.
thats all i want it for.. I saw doom, I saw quake.. I saw some emulators.. and everything else is just a plus. I can take it to school for classes, check mail etc.. OH and really, can anyone point to me a clip of the video chat? How good is it? Can this thing get at least a solid 15fps? 20, for wishfull thinking, perhaps? 30?
My biggest perks on this:
1) internet browsing
2) video chat/calls (someone please tell me Karel is exaggerating..)
3) note-taking via sketch program etc
4) MUSIC.. omg, music. Mp3's only
5) maybe some video.. basic avi, wma, mpeg
I WANT ONE FOR THE BASICS, PPL!
For those five reasons, is the N800 worth my money? Can someone please tell me this? because I was also thinking of getting my gf one too.. shed been looking for something like this..
And I've only played with my friends n770, but the n800 looked promising.. please, let me know otherwise.
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2008-01-13
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#134
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"Remember the iT for what it was built for."
No, that's a manufacturing/developer point of view.
Consumers really shouldn't care what a device was built for. If the N800 made an excellent hammer and was useless for anything else, I would use it as a hammer even if it was built to be a doorstop for aliens.
Fortunately, my N800 keeps surprising me with all of its uses. Not as a hammer, though.
No, that's a manufacturing/developer point of view.
Consumers really shouldn't care what a device was built for. If the N800 made an excellent hammer and was useless for anything else, I would use it as a hammer even if it was built to be a doorstop for aliens.
Fortunately, my N800 keeps surprising me with all of its uses. Not as a hammer, though.
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2008-01-13
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#135
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Originally Posted by Karel Jansens
I'll have to disagree with you on the video playback bit. I have my videos encoded at 25fps using the N800 Video Convert 0.8.4 and they *all* play back smooth with no skipping. Also, I see no point in being able to play back media at 800x600 since the screen is that small anyway, and I really could do with smaller media file sizes (which I get, thanks to the Media Convert software)
If Nokia really designed it with media playback in mind, then why did they deliver it with cheaped-out video playback capabilities? This thing has an 800x480 screen, but to play back anything above 400x240, you have to drop to insanely low fps settings.
Same remark re music playback: Gapless isn't possible by design. That's not a very smart design decision for a music player, is it?
And yet we were promised video calls, not a useless camera appendage.
Truth is, from all appearances Nokia has no idea what to do with the Itablets. It's a good product, marred by a lot of asinine design decisions, loaded with unfinished and buggy system software and managed by what appears to be a bunch of sloths on morphine.
Also, the blatant leeching off the community is becoming embarrassing, to say the least. I am really, really, really disappointed; I was hoping (and I have voiced this repeatedly) that Nokia was trying to learn how to cope with Open Source and only made mistakes by -- well, by mistake. But now it appears that Nokia is not only not learning, but is actually moving away from what it should have learned. It seems Jaaksi's repeated hypocrisy is exactly reflecting the Nokia mentality.
Likewise, I can honestly say that I have not encountered any skipping issues when playing my MP3s back using Canola (which, I believe, uses mPlayer).
As for the video camera, video calling isn't something I do a lot of, unlike VoIP, so it's not something I miss at all. That said, it *would* be nice if the video camera could be used for video calling MSN and Yahoo buddies (yes, i know aMSN does that, but i'm not prepared to start tinkering about a working combination now that I have everything working exactly how I like it), but again, video calling, in my case, in a nice-to-have and not a must-have (like how VoIP and web browsing is)
Now, seriously consider this: Rather than spitting in Nokia's face the way some of us do in this forum, has anyone really considered being grateful that they did produce the Internet Tablet that we are all using today?
I used to work in the Nokia APAC team and can honestly say that it takes quite a bit to get a product like this out the door, especially when it has very little mass appeal in its current incarnation. For a project like this to have even the level of support it has today is something I would consider a miracle.
The fact that the iT project has actualized itself in the form of the N770 and evolved to the N800 and N810 is a huge leap of faith for them, seeing that they could be assigning resources to other areas of the business which have better revenue/feature elasticity
What we have today still needs a bit of polishing around the edges, but looking back at the month since my wife bought me my N800 for Xmas, I've had nothing but positive experiences with it.
Here's why the N800 works for me:
- media playback - works fine for me, don't know why some people are complaining about skipping. movies play back fine, as do my MP3s. Internet radio is dependent on the quality of my network connection.
- web browsing - aside from the very occasional microB crash, I've not had any real problems. the crashes are just inconvenient, not life-threatening
- VoIP - Gizmo and Skype works. 'Nuff said
- IM - could be better if MSN/Yahoo worked properly, if contacts could be synced with the respective service providers, displayed in the correct folders, and I could have all my contacts (phone numbers, email addresses, and IM addresses and presence all in one app). GoogleTalk and Gizmo work fine for me now. Besides, I'd rather be IMing off my E51, which has Gizmo and Windows Live Messenger, and I'm quick with two-thumb T9 texting (as are most Singaporeans)
The way I see it, we have a decent hardware platform, and there are some pretty good 3rd party apps out there. Nokia probably committed itself to coming up with the platform, and a baseline suite of applications.
Frankly, it's the power users who complain day and night about how the platform isn't up to snuff. Fact is, I whinge all day about how Windows Vista stinks as well, but considering the amount of crap I have running on my system, I sometimes wonder if it is a miracle that it doesn't crash more often than it does.
Let's focus on what we have, and give thanks for it. I would really hate to have chosen a Windows Mobile device that costs more and has a horrible user experience. The Newton did it for me back then (MoreInfo was the killer app for me), and since its demise, after having experienced several generations of Palms, Psions, Windows CE, Windows Mobile over the last 10 years, I can honestly say that this is the only device that comes even close to how the Newton made my mobile computing fun and enjoyable.
Now, imagine if Nokia decided to say, "Screw these ingrates, we'll pull the plug on the iT since it's clearly not profitable and rather than taking negative publicity for it, let's just dump the whole platform and move on to 'what computers have become' (i.e. N95)" ... where would that leave us, the people who have adopted the N800 and really enjoy using it for what we bought it for? For most of us out there, i dare say this device is worth its salt.
Yes, things CAN improve from where it is today, and things certainly ARE improving, thanks to the developers out there who contribute so many hours of their time to bring us freeware, listen to feedback and improve on their apps. It's not like they sold us a brick, for crying out loud
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2008-01-13
, 16:54
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@ Dubai, UAE
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#136
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Originally Posted by geneven
FWIW, that faux-suede pouch that the N800 comes with also has a nice use -- if you place your N800 on it, it acts as a non-slip surface (up to a point). I only noticed this after I left my N800 on a smooth table top today and it nearly slid off when i accidentally tugged the charger cable lightly.
"Remember the iT for what it was built for."
No, that's a manufacturing/developer point of view.
Consumers really shouldn't care what a device was built for. If the N800 made an excellent hammer and was useless for anything else, I would use it as a hammer even if it was built to be a doorstop for aliens.
Fortunately, my N800 keeps surprising me with all of its uses. Not as a hammer, though.
But you're right, the iT sucks at many things, many of these applications are not what it was meant to run in the first place. As you say, if it makes a great hammer, it doesn't really matter how the manufacturer markets it.
So, let's see -- the iT has been great for me when it comes to:
web browsing, email, IM, movies and music on the go, desktop photo album (thanks to Canola), voip and IM device.
I think it would downright suck as a tool for creating and editing documents, spreadsheets, presentations, photos, vector art, video recording device, sound recording device, and hammer.
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2008-01-13
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#137
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Originally Posted by ghoonk
I just bought the N800 with the EEEPc, to use together. My thinking though as technophile since the Commodore 64c, is that a combination of these systems with PIM (via Tungsten E2) is perfect for everyday needs. Once I get these devices in my hands, I will be able to see if my theory actually worked, and if I made the right choice over buying one silly laptop.
I'll have to disagree with you on the video playback bit. I have my videos encoded at 25fps using the N800 Video Convert 0.8.4 and they *all* play back smooth with no skipping. Also, I see no point in being able to play back media at 800x600 since the screen is that small anyway, and I really could do with smaller media file sizes (which I get, thanks to the Media Convert software)
Likewise, I can honestly say that I have not encountered any skipping issues when playing my MP3s back using Canola (which, I believe, uses mPlayer).
As for the video camera, video calling isn't something I do a lot of, unlike VoIP, so it's not something I miss at all. That said, it *would* be nice if the video camera could be used for video calling MSN and Yahoo buddies (yes, i know aMSN does that, but i'm not prepared to start tinkering about a working combination now that I have everything working exactly how I like it), but again, video calling, in my case, in a nice-to-have and not a must-have (like how VoIP and web browsing is)
Now, seriously consider this: Rather than spitting in Nokia's face the way some of us do in this forum, has anyone really considered being grateful that they did produce the Internet Tablet that we are all using today?
I used to work in the Nokia APAC team and can honestly say that it takes quite a bit to get a product like this out the door, especially when it has very little mass appeal in its current incarnation. For a project like this to have even the level of support it has today is something I would consider a miracle.
The fact that the iT project has actualized itself in the form of the N770 and evolved to the N800 and N810 is a huge leap of faith for them, seeing that they could be assigning resources to other areas of the business which have better revenue/feature elasticity
What we have today still needs a bit of polishing around the edges, but looking back at the month since my wife bought me my N800 for Xmas, I've had nothing but positive experiences with it.
Here's why the N800 works for me:
- media playback - works fine for me, don't know why some people are complaining about skipping. movies play back fine, as do my MP3s. Internet radio is dependent on the quality of my network connection.
- web browsing - aside from the very occasional microB crash, I've not had any real problems. the crashes are just inconvenient, not life-threatening
- VoIP - Gizmo and Skype works. 'Nuff said
- IM - could be better if MSN/Yahoo worked properly, if contacts could be synced with the respective service providers, displayed in the correct folders, and I could have all my contacts (phone numbers, email addresses, and IM addresses and presence all in one app). GoogleTalk and Gizmo work fine for me now. Besides, I'd rather be IMing off my E51, which has Gizmo and Windows Live Messenger, and I'm quick with two-thumb T9 texting (as are most Singaporeans)
The way I see it, we have a decent hardware platform, and there are some pretty good 3rd party apps out there. Nokia probably committed itself to coming up with the platform, and a baseline suite of applications.
Frankly, it's the power users who complain day and night about how the platform isn't up to snuff. Fact is, I whinge all day about how Windows Vista stinks as well, but considering the amount of crap I have running on my system, I sometimes wonder if it is a miracle that it doesn't crash more often than it does.
Let's focus on what we have, and give thanks for it. I would really hate to have chosen a Windows Mobile device that costs more and has a horrible user experience. The Newton did it for me back then (MoreInfo was the killer app for me), and since its demise, after having experienced several generations of Palms, Psions, Windows CE, Windows Mobile over the last 10 years, I can honestly say that this is the only device that comes even close to how the Newton made my mobile computing fun and enjoyable.
Now, imagine if Nokia decided to say, "Screw these ingrates, we'll pull the plug on the iT since it's clearly not profitable and rather than taking negative publicity for it, let's just dump the whole platform and move on to 'what computers have become' (i.e. N95)" ... where would that leave us, the people who have adopted the N800 and really enjoy using it for what we bought it for? For most of us out there, i dare say this device is worth its salt.
Yes, things CAN improve from where it is today, and things certainly ARE improving, thanks to the developers out there who contribute so many hours of their time to bring us freeware, listen to feedback and improve on their apps. It's not like they sold us a brick, for crying out loud
As for the N800 2008 OS issue, does anyone know if there is a fix coming from Nokia for the bluetooth issue? I do not know if I am going to have OS2008 preloaded or if I have to do the upgrade, but I do not want to get OS2008 if it could sacrifice any of the usuability from my IGO Stowaway bluetooth keyboard that I just bought for this device.
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2008-01-13
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#138
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Originally Posted by ghoonk
Of course my video files play back smoothly with Video Convert! It bloomingly encodes them at 400x240. And I can vouch for the fact that higher resolutions do make a difference, even on a smaller screen; more detail is always visible. I do get your point about smaller file sizes, but in this context it is false: I want to be able to choose between quality and size, which is something I cannot do on the Itablet.
I'll have to disagree with you on the video playback bit. I have my videos encoded at 25fps using the N800 Video Convert 0.8.4 and they *all* play back smooth with no skipping. Also, I see no point in being able to play back media at 800x600 since the screen is that small anyway, and I really could do with smaller media file sizes (which I get, thanks to the Media Convert software)
Likewise, I can honestly say that I have not encountered any skipping issues when playing my MP3s back using Canola (which, I believe, uses mPlayer).
As for the video camera, video calling isn't something I do a lot of, unlike VoIP, so it's not something I miss at all. That said, it *would* be nice if the video camera could be used for video calling MSN and Yahoo buddies (yes, i know aMSN does that, but i'm not prepared to start tinkering about a working combination now that I have everything working exactly how I like it), but again, video calling, in my case, in a nice-to-have and not a must-have (like how VoIP and web browsing is)
Now, seriously consider this: Rather than spitting in Nokia's face the way some of us do in this forum, has anyone really considered being grateful that they did produce the Internet Tablet that we are all using today?
I used to work in the Nokia APAC team and can honestly say that it takes quite a bit to get a product like this out the door, especially when it has very little mass appeal in its current incarnation. For a project like this to have even the level of support it has today is something I would consider a miracle.
THEY GET PAID!!!
I care about the trouble people who don't get paid have gone through, many of whom are regulars on this forum.
The fact that the iT project has actualized itself in the form of the N770 and evolved to the N800 and N810 is a huge leap of faith for them, seeing that they could be assigning resources to other areas of the business which have better revenue/feature elasticity
What we have today still needs a bit of polishing around the edges, but looking back at the month since my wife bought me my N800 for Xmas, I've had nothing but positive experiences with it.
Here's why the N800 works for me:
- media playback - works fine for me, don't know why some people are complaining about skipping. movies play back fine, as do my MP3s. Internet radio is dependent on the quality of my network connection.
- web browsing - aside from the very occasional microB crash, I've not had any real problems. the crashes are just inconvenient, not life-threatening
- VoIP - Gizmo and Skype works. 'Nuff said
- IM - could be better if MSN/Yahoo worked properly, if contacts could be synced with the respective service providers, displayed in the correct folders, and I could have all my contacts (phone numbers, email addresses, and IM addresses and presence all in one app). GoogleTalk and Gizmo work fine for me now. Besides, I'd rather be IMing off my E51, which has Gizmo and Windows Live Messenger, and I'm quick with two-thumb T9 texting (as are most Singaporeans)
The way I see it, we have a decent hardware platform, and there are some pretty good 3rd party apps out there. Nokia probably committed itself to coming up with the platform, and a baseline suite of applications.
Frankly, it's the power users who complain day and night about how the platform isn't up to snuff. Fact is, I whinge all day about how Windows Vista stinks as well, but considering the amount of crap I have running on my system, I sometimes wonder if it is a miracle that it doesn't crash more often than it does.
Let's focus on what we have, and give thanks for it. I would really hate to have chosen a Windows Mobile device that costs more and has a horrible user experience. The Newton did it for me back then (MoreInfo was the killer app for me), and since its demise, after having experienced several generations of Palms, Psions, Windows CE, Windows Mobile over the last 10 years, I can honestly say that this is the only device that comes even close to how the Newton made my mobile computing fun and enjoyable.
Now, imagine if Nokia decided to say, "Screw these ingrates, we'll pull the plug on the iT since it's clearly not profitable and rather than taking negative publicity for it, let's just dump the whole platform and move on to 'what computers have become' (i.e. N95)" ... where would that leave us, the people who have adopted the N800 and really enjoy using it for what we bought it for? For most of us out there, i dare say this device is worth its salt.
Or, in other words: What added value do we get from Nokia, apart from the hardware itself?
Yes, things CAN improve from where it is today, and things certainly ARE improving, thanks to the developers out there who contribute so many hours of their time to bring us freeware, listen to feedback and improve on their apps. It's not like they sold us a brick, for crying out loud
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I do love explaining cryptic sigs, but for the impatient: http://www.openpandora.org/
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2008-01-13
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I bought mine cause I travel internationally and didnt want to whip out a laptop everytime I needed net (read email principally) access or get an international phone. AND YES, the Wifi browsing to my email server is perfect and Skype (at 2 cents) is perfect too! Therefore for me it paid off.
BUT-- if I could use it for some business apps, it would then have more value....well, VNC and ftp (the only 2 I have gotten to work) are great for me. I prefer GUI based apps, or I will use my PC laptop. (Quite a few apps arent working but thats probably my lack of Linux understanding...does it need to be so cryprtic? If I need to learn a language I can make more $ learning Chinese )
BUT - why not have a spreadsheet and document reader that work with a universal file format too? After all, there is a documents folder....I would save my Word docs and Excel ss's in a rtf / cvs fromat for the ability to crouch behind a rack and enter updates. THATS VALUE to me. (My phone can do it but my eyes cant read it)
And the N800 has poor documentation...at least there are some die-hard users that have productive and constructive advice and pages...thanks to them too.
PS - if there is a better device, and Nokia won't listen to us, then I WILL buy the better device. Its not about money to me.
Last edited by HWL; 2008-01-13 at 20:23. Reason: spelling
BUT-- if I could use it for some business apps, it would then have more value....well, VNC and ftp (the only 2 I have gotten to work) are great for me. I prefer GUI based apps, or I will use my PC laptop. (Quite a few apps arent working but thats probably my lack of Linux understanding...does it need to be so cryprtic? If I need to learn a language I can make more $ learning Chinese
)BUT - why not have a spreadsheet and document reader that work with a universal file format too? After all, there is a documents folder....I would save my Word docs and Excel ss's in a rtf / cvs fromat for the ability to crouch behind a rack and enter updates. THATS VALUE to me. (My phone can do it but my eyes cant read it)
And the N800 has poor documentation...at least there are some die-hard users that have productive and constructive advice and pages...thanks to them too.
PS - if there is a better device, and Nokia won't listen to us, then I WILL buy the better device. Its not about money to me.
Last edited by HWL; 2008-01-13 at 20:23. Reason: spelling
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2008-01-13
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My thumbs are sideways right now for the N800/N810 overall.
I like the fact that I can boot up the N800 and browse the net quickly without having to bring out my laptop.
I also like the fact that there are less crashes/freezing issues with browsing on OS2008.
Skype works better now on the OS2008 with less disconnected calls.
BTW people, Gizmo works GREAT for video callling. Way better than the built in Internet Call app. I highly recommend getting Gizmo if you wanna chat and video call. I haven't tried Gizmo video calling with MSN or Yahoo Messenger users however so I don't know if that works or not but Gizmo to Gizmo video calling is awesome.
My big time rant with the Nokia OS in general is the lack of software available for it. I'm hoping that down the line a lot more software will come out. But for now, that is my big complaint.
I'd like to see more apps which are more PC like. If I could use my tablet for daily work that would be so much easier.
Garnet is pretty good so far. It saves me from having to bring my Palm too in addition to my laptop and N800 which I already carry around. So far so good, 1 less device I have to carry
I like the fact that I can boot up the N800 and browse the net quickly without having to bring out my laptop.
I also like the fact that there are less crashes/freezing issues with browsing on OS2008.
Skype works better now on the OS2008 with less disconnected calls.
BTW people, Gizmo works GREAT for video callling. Way better than the built in Internet Call app. I highly recommend getting Gizmo if you wanna chat and video call. I haven't tried Gizmo video calling with MSN or Yahoo Messenger users however so I don't know if that works or not but Gizmo to Gizmo video calling is awesome.
My big time rant with the Nokia OS in general is the lack of software available for it. I'm hoping that down the line a lot more software will come out. But for now, that is my big complaint.
I'd like to see more apps which are more PC like. If I could use my tablet for daily work that would be so much easier.
Garnet is pretty good so far. It saves me from having to bring my Palm too in addition to my laptop and N800 which I already carry around. So far so good, 1 less device I have to carry
- definitely agree... overall, a nice upgrade, but to me the default menu size is clumsy and takes too much screen real estate...
- one annoyance, and an obvious error by a Nokia software engineer, is the assumption that keyboard shortcuts will only be assigned on an n810, and not taking into account the use of a BT keyboard...
- for example, under os2007 on the n800, the default US105 keyboard has the FKeys with standard functions (menu, app menu, home, fullscreen toggle, +, -, etc.) assigned to F3 through F12...
- but the default under os2008 on the n800 uses convoluted keyboard combos to achieve the same results, and in fact, the Shortcut tab function under the Bluetooth keyboard Control Panel reports:
"Illegal key for shortcut"
when attempting to map a function to an FKey!!!
@#$@#%???!!!
- this is *very* annoying and short sighted... there's no obvious reason for this behavior when before, these FKeys were the default, and also easily toggled menuing...
- in fact, this 'toggling' feature is also 'broken' or un-implemented for the app-launcher menu (one now has to cursor-left to remove a menu request)...
- don't get me wrong: i like os2008 and understand that it's time to move on... i really like my n800s (i have two: one for os2007 and one for upgrades such as this, hopefully short, interim version of os2008)...
- so one thumb up (and kudos for all the hard work from all contributing programmers), but one thumb down on some interface issues and software engineering...
:-)