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uTMY is offline uTMY
2012-10-10 , 14:07
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#31
Symbian/Maemo didn't crash, they were pushed. They were doing just fine as they were.

Personally I predict Microsoft WPanything is not going to grow into an ecosystem of any consequence.

rgds
 
specc is offline specc
2012-10-10 , 14:37
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#32
Originally Posted by uTMY View Post
Symbian/Maemo didn't crash, they were pushed. They were doing just fine as they were.

Personally I predict Microsoft WPanything is not going to grow into an ecosystem of any consequence.

rgds
This is why I am right and you sir, are wrong. I see things as they are, you see things as you would like them to be. The crash of Symbian is the biggest crash of any OS. It crashed because Nokia didn't manage to make it competitive in the new world of easy going touch screen smartphones.

Maemo/Meego crashed because it had no ecosystem backup or direction even though the concept is excellent. It could have survived as a niche, but even Jolla has got this megalomaniac world market leader wannabe bug in it's veins. So Jolla will also crash and burn.

Having said that, I think I actually will get myself an 808. The last pure enthusiast phone left today.
 
uTMY is offline uTMY
2012-10-10 , 17:13
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#33
I reject your reality and substitute my own.

In my reality you are wrong sir, and I am right.

In my reality, Symbian crashed becuase elop told the world it was going to be dropped.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/9162...estroyed-nokia

but hey, maybe I just imagined it, who can tell, perhaps its just me and you are actually right.

Maybe the stock price will help support your position.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/...-lost/1619827/

Nope I guess not. unlucky. I'll stick with my reality thanks, yours suks.

rgds
 
switch-hitter is offline switch-hitter
2012-10-10 , 17:42
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#34
Originally Posted by specc View Post
This is why I am right and you sir, are wrong. I see things as they are, you see things as you would like them to be. The crash of Symbian is the biggest crash of any OS. It crashed because Nokia didn't manage to make it competitive in the new world of easy going touch screen smartphones.
Symbian very successfully competed in the 'new world of easy going touch screen smartphones' right up until Elop deprecated it, that is a verifiable, undeniable fact - just look at NOKIA's sales figures right up until the 'burning platforms' fiasco. While you're at it take a look at the margins too, then compare both with what NOKIA are doing now.

I realise from your previous posts you are utterly clueless about business (too) but it would still be good practice for you to give it a go.


Originally Posted by specc View Post
Maemo/Meego crashed because it had no ecosystem backup or direction even though the concept is excellent.
MeeGo would've had the same 'ecosystem' as Symbian and Meltemi, an 'ecosystem' controlled by NOKIA and from which they could profit.


Originally Posted by specc View Post
Jolla has got this megalomaniac world market leader wannabe bug in it's veins. So Jolla will also crash and burn.
That remains to be seen, from what has been revealed so far Jolla seem to have a much more coherent and realistic plan than Elop ever provided NOKIA.
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gerbick
2012-10-10 , 19:04
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Originally Posted by specc View Post
Gerb et al, quasi academic geek disputes may be fun for some, but it has no relevance to the real world.
So... that's all you can say? Really?

A condescending tone isn't really helping your so-called argument. So let's just put it simply.

The real world has not bought into Windows Phone as a platform at all. Less than 10% share in all markets worldwide despite trying their best, which is lesser than Windows Mobile's share after 2010.

Reality has shown that since the introduction of other operating systems, those aforesaid operating systems have grown at the expense of Windows Phone/Mobile's share.

So this grand scheme of Microsoft... the one so rooted in reality. When will it finally yield more than just 5% of the total (worldwide) share of the smartphone market?

Oh, and please answer my prior questions. You can do it dawg.
 
NokiaFanatic is offline NokiaFanatic
2012-10-10 , 19:05
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#36
Originally Posted by switch-hitter View Post
Symbian very successfully competed in the 'new world of easy going touch screen smartphones' right up until Elop deprecated it
In fairness, Symbian was under massive pressure even before the "Burning Platform" speech. Sales of the flagship N8 (which was a great device) were miles behind the Iphone and the Samsung Galaxy (which was rubbish). What Elop did, was to take a platform that was dying, and kill it overnight. It was foolish, because developers gave up on it instantly and carriers didn't want to know about Nokia devices.
 
gerbick
2012-10-10 , 19:13
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Originally Posted by switch-hitter View Post
Symbian very successfully competed in the 'new world of easy going touch screen smartphones' right up until Elop deprecated it, that is a verifiable, undeniable fact - just look at NOKIA's sales figures right up until the 'burning platforms' fiasco.
Totally playing devil's advocate here... but Symbian was selling well but not at the same clip as they were before since attention was shifting towards Android and iPhone faster than the updates to Symbian were coming.

The burning platform was indeed a fiasco. Something that hastened Nokia's downfall. Blame the Osbourne Effect for that - announce something is coming to replace your just released product. A product that didn't come out for almost a year after that statement.

Anyway, Symbian was on a downfall. Fast in all areas but Asia and most of Europe. It was a non-factor in Japan (Nokia has been a non-player there for ages) and mostly it was relegated to lower-priced, lower tiered phones than most Android and iPhone purchases. With Android going down in price and trending that way, Symbian was bound to lose even more - which it did.

The burning platform was, for all intents and purposes, more about the inner-issues within Nokia and their choice of "religion" of where they put the majority of their money into than it was about Symbian going away, imho. Especially when he needed to make everybody into one religion, Microsoft... that ledger leaked to accomplish just that.

And it worked. No more MeeGo. No more Harmattan. Less Symbian investments. And two iterations - WP7 and WP8 - of Microsoft and a stock price to reflect that dedication.
 
switch-hitter is offline switch-hitter
2012-10-10 , 20:00
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#38
Originally Posted by NokiaFanatic View Post
In fairness, Symbian was under massive pressure even before the "Burning Platform" speech. Sales of the flagship N8 (which was a great device) were miles behind the Iphone and the Samsung Galaxy (which was rubbish). What Elop did, was to take a platform that was dying, and kill it overnight. It was foolish, because developers gave up on it instantly and carriers didn't want to know about Nokia devices.
The N8 was released in October 2010, the closing of the Symbian Foundation was announced the following month and Symbian was publicly deprecated early in Q1 2011. i.e. the N8 had a very small window of opportunity to be successful in.

Not only that but it had a 680Mhz processor and 256 MB of RAM (and that was a big improvement over NOKIA's previous Symbian devices) whereas the Galaxy, which you have chosen as a suggested alternative, had a 1.2GHz processor and 1GB of RAM. The difference in grunt power was HUGE but the difference in performance wasn't.

NOKIA's problem at the time was not Symbian, in fact Symbian was it's saving grace, what other multitasking OS would have run so well on such modest hardware? The problem was their hardware specs looked feeble and their designs (N8 excluded?) were dreadfully bland.

Now NOKIA are finally getting close to their rivals in terms of hardware and design but unfortunately their CEO has lumbered them with an unloved OS.
 
switch-hitter is offline switch-hitter
2012-10-10 , 20:26
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#39
Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
Anyway, Symbian was on a downfall. Fast in all areas but Asia and most of Europe. It was a non-factor in Japan (Nokia has been a non-player there for ages) and mostly it was relegated to lower-priced, lower tiered phones than most Android and iPhone purchases. With Android going down in price and trending that way, Symbian was bound to lose even more - which it did.
Just to clarify, sales of Symbian devices were not falling they were just not growing as fast as the overall market. In 2010 NOKIA's smart device sales were UP 36% year on year and NOKIA originally announced they could have sold even more if it weren't for component shortages.

It is true to say Symbian would have been discontinued either way though, by all accounts if the CEO's job had gone to Anssi Vanjoki instead of Elop he would have phased out Symbian for MeeGo, but at least that way NOKIA would retain control of their own devices and any services surrounding them and there would have been an easier migration path for users and developers.
 
Lumiaman
2012-10-10 , 21:19
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Symbian apologists everywhere here. its liked the militants hiding from overwhelming defeat and recounting what could have or should have been.

Symbian was dead. whether additional 2 years would have helped, who knows. it takes resources to maintain a dead platform. i used N8, and oh my, what abomination compared to anything else. Stop wasting your time on revision of history. Elop was brought to kill Symbian and forge the future. Finns killed it, Elop was the executioner. No tears to shed for a platform that was surpassed in every respect.
 
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