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specc	2012-10-11 , 19:53
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman

REad this as on other post. Illustrates everything that went wrong:

http://taskumuro.com/artikkelit/the-...of-nokia-meego

Only had time to brows through it now, but very interesting. The complete mess at Nokia is very describing. It was the same at the Symbian camp. Only the S40 camp had some sort of order apparently.

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Lumiaman	2012-10-11 , 20:08
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As we were saying all along.....Harmattan since 2008 and they couldnt get it right, swipe invented by ex Apple and ex Adobe employees, Elop was NOT the problem, NOKIA WAS the problem. This was a clearly rudderless company.

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Lumiaman	2012-10-11 , 22:23
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Originally Posted by switch-hitter

To call you stupid would be an insult to stupid people! I've known sheep that could outwit you. I've worn dresses with higher IQs. But you think you're an intellectual, don't you, ape?

And you haven't been banned yet? Shows the bias of moderators here

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specc	2012-10-12 , 07:10
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman

And you haven't been banned yet? Shows the bias of moderators here

as long as you end your post with a token elop/ms/wp sucks - kind of comment, then everything goes.

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uTMY	2012-10-14 , 11:54
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I for one hope either of you don't get banned, you're funny.

rgds

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MINKIN2	2012-10-18 , 21:42
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If anyone is looking to pick up a cheap Winphone thinking that they could make use of Microsofts new Xbox Music service, then don't bother because they are not going to support the Win7 devices...

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/...s-and-android/

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gerbick	2012-10-19 , 16:45
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Originally Posted by MINKIN2

If anyone is looking to pick up a cheap Winphone thinking that they could make use of Microsofts new Xbox Music service, then don't bother because they are not going to support the Win7 devices...

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/...s-and-android/

Lumia fans... you've been shunned. Amazing omission for something they have said is rather important to them - music distribution.

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switch-hitter	2012-10-20 , 20:41
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Originally Posted by gerbick

Not really. If you grow 36%, yet the market grew 118%, then you've not kept pace.

That seems to be what happened in regards to the smartphone market.

That's not right either, first off do you have all the market covered, secondly do you want to have all the market covered?

If most of the growth was in high glamour devices then NOKIA could not benefit from that growth as they had not produced such a device, just ugly, under-powered but functional ones. The N8 was the first attractive smartphone NOKIA had produced in a long while but that was scuppered within weeks of being released by the 'burning platforms' fiasco.

If most of the growth was amongst extremely cheap low margin devices you might well make a concious decision not to compete but instead to cherry pick the market segments with more attractive returns, no point in being a busy fool.

The fact is NOKIA had growing sales and decent margins, now they have neither.

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gerbick	2012-10-21 , 04:24
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Originally Posted by switch-hitter

That's not right either, first off do you have all the market covered, secondly do you want to have all the market covered?

Huh? Either you have the ability to fulfill the demand of a growing market are you cannot. The factors around that ability boils down to pure sales. Either you have the sales or you do not. And within a growing market, you're to have growth.

It didn't happen for Nokia. It happened for Apple (newcomer) and Android (newcomer). It didn't also happen for BlackBerry (established player).

If most of the growth was in high glamour devices then NOKIA could not benefit from that growth as they had not produced such a device, just ugly, under-powered but functional ones.

Have to ask if you mean high glamour means iPhone or Vertu.

The N8 was the first attractive smartphone NOKIA had produced in a long while but that was scuppered within weeks of being released by the 'burning platforms' fiasco.

The N8 depended upon the camera and not much else during a time where more was expected. Same for the 808.

If most of the growth was amongst extremely cheap low margin devices you might well make a concious decision not to compete but instead to cherry pick the market segments with more attractive returns, no point in being a busy fool.

Nokia was in all of those markets quite comfortably for ages. They were rendered old hat by the encroachment of Android and Apple into the lower end of that spectrum in most Euro markets due to pricing deals and perceived functionality at a lower price. In the North American markets, Nokia has been relegated to cheap flip phones or expensive gifts that you had to buy blindly online or travel 1000's of miles to pick one up.

The fact is NOKIA had growing sales and decent margins, now they have neither.

Growing sales, that had either peaked, or were going to plateau. We'll never know now. But you are right about now... they have neither.

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switch-hitter	2012-10-21 , 10:57
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Originally Posted by gerbick

Huh? Either you have the ability to fulfill the demand of a growing market are you cannot. The factors around that ability boils down to pure sales. Either you have the sales or you do not. And within a growing market, you're to have growth.

It didn't happen for Nokia. It happened for Apple (newcomer) and Android (newcomer). It didn't also happen for BlackBerry (established player).

It DID happen for NOKIA, they DID have growth. 36% year on year is very healthy growth, especially considering the enormity of NOKIA. I have not seen any evidence to suggest they would not have continued to enjoy growth if they hadn't exclusively adopted an OS that was a proven failure in the market place.

Originally Posted by gerbick

Have to ask if you mean high glamour means iPhone or Vertu.

iPhone. It was pretty and slick (even if somewhat limited), NOKIA's devices on the other hand were utilitarian.

Originally Posted by gerbick

The N8 depended upon the camera and not much else during a time where more was expected. Same for the 808.

Quite so, and the N8 was a big improvement on what went before, at least it finally got a GPU. NOKIA's problem was hardware desirability not software capability.

Originally Posted by gerbick

Nokia was in all of those markets quite comfortably for ages.

Their margins tell a different story, they were not selling devices with razor thin margins until they adopted WP7. Last two quarters we've had gross margins of 1.7% and (3.5)% respectively, so they are now giving away handsets at less than the cost of components and assembly, never mind sales, administration and marketing expenses.

Originally Posted by gerbick