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So, the idea is to risk sacrificing our identity and the very things which brought us here in an attempt to become 'more relevant' (i.e. hitch ourselves to whatever is the latest bandwagon to come rolling along). No thanks.
We should, at the very least, wait until there is something tangible to shift our attention to, and until that something can be considered a genuine improvement over what we already have. 18 months ago, there was talk of MeeGo being the obvious path for the future. Maemo was the past. Now we're hearing the same talk again about Jolla and Sailfish. In another 18 months, it could well be something else. It's folly.
To be clear, I'm not against the discussion of alternatives. Quite the opposite. But I'm certainly not in favour of diluting the focus on the Maemo platform and devices, and therefore possibly alienating the committed Maemo user base, just so that we can attract the dilittantes that may well disappear when the next shiny arrives.
We should, at the very least, wait until there is something tangible to shift our attention to, and until that something can be considered a genuine improvement over what we already have. 18 months ago, there was talk of MeeGo being the obvious path for the future. Maemo was the past. Now we're hearing the same talk again about Jolla and Sailfish. In another 18 months, it could well be something else. It's folly.
To be clear, I'm not against the discussion of alternatives. Quite the opposite. But I'm certainly not in favour of diluting the focus on the Maemo platform and devices, and therefore possibly alienating the committed Maemo user base, just so that we can attract the dilittantes that may well disappear when the next shiny arrives.
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2013-01-23
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I have a suggestion. Posting applications or games are getting confusing. Sometimes, it's in Games. Sometimes, it's in Applications. And Sometimes, it's in each respective OS or Hardware. I think this is slightly unhelpful, Maybe unify posting programs into one main topic called Programs, or something. And within that, developers who post the program should be required to put tags like [Games], or [App], or something.
Also tags should be used more often, as it's hard for readers, like me, to find topics. For example, someone might post (Half life on N9) and I will instantaneously look at it. However, in there would be a question, which annoys me.
PS: It's my 200th post woohoo!
Also tags should be used more often, as it's hard for readers, like me, to find topics. For example, someone might post (Half life on N9) and I will instantaneously look at it. However, in there would be a question, which annoys me.
PS: It's my 200th post woohoo!
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2013-01-23
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Originally Posted by khm
A-fvcking-men to that.
There is no need to change this forum. Changing the domain name is a little silly. Ubuntu in particular already has a massive established community.
I don't want to see maemo.org change focus to all of this unrelated stuff. I am a Maemo user, not a 'whatever is on engadget this week' person. What is wrong with having a place focus on Maemo? Why is there some invisible mandate to change ourselves over to some other thing? Who will pay the server bills for that?
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2013-01-23
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Originally Posted by marxian
I'm not sure how you're getting that, what don't you understand about what I said...
So, the idea is to risk sacrificing our identity and the very things which brought us here in an attempt to become 'more relevant' (i.e. hitch ourselves to whatever is the latest bandwagon to come rolling along). No thanks.
We should, at the very least, wait until there is something tangible to shift our attention to, and until that something can be considered a genuine improvement over what we already have. 18 months ago, there was talk of MeeGo being the obvious path for the future. Maemo was the past. Now we're hearing the same talk again about Jolla and Sailfish. In another 18 months, it could well be something else. It's folly.
Why does focus have to shift, who said anything about that, why can't there be multiple focuses (each dev/tester chooses their poison[s]) that are beneficial for the Qt biosphere as-a-whole?
This site won't have big backers for the foreseeable future, Jolla may not even be around in 1yr, becoming a "glue-like" community for FOSS Qt handset projects* is a way to bolster LT relevance.
Whilst also serving to enable far better coordination/cooperation between the different camps, and possibly even attain the Nirvana that is "wide-ranging API compatibility".
That one's always going to be a long-shot of course, but I think maemo.org's very well placed to be the conduit for that sort of thing, alongside qt-project etc.
Spreading it even wider to some of the HTML5-centric projects may even make sense LT, especially given that Maemo5-6x/Sailfish/Ubuntu/Plasma all have it as a secondary focus.
But that should be quite a bit further down the line IMO....
To be clear, I'm not against the discussion of alternatives. Quite the opposite. But I'm certainly not in favour of diluting the focus on the Maemo platform and devices, and therefore possibly alienating the committed Maemo user base,
*ones that are closest to being truly FOSS, which probably excludes BBX, but includes Maemo 5/6x, Nemo, Sailfish, Plasma, Ubuntu etc
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2013-01-23
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I disagree with those who said there is no need to restructure the forum. Looking at Harmattan and/or Competitors / Offtopics sections mess disproves this notion. No section for Mer derivatives may not bother those who use Maemo only, or Harmattan only, because they don't care. But those who use them have no place to post and discuss current developments. There is no reason to prevent it, except just to annoy people. Why do that? And don't be arrogant. A lot of people will appear soon who don't know or care about Maemo, and neither about Harmattan, but are interested in new platforms like Sailfish or Plasma Active. You don't welcome them on the forum? Or you propose them to post in Harmattan section, or may be in Offtopics? Think about that before saying there is no need to restructure anything.
Eventually who makes the decision on restructuring anyway?
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Eventually who makes the decision on restructuring anyway?
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2013-01-23
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Originally Posted by shmerl
I disagree with those who said there is no need to restructure the forum. Looking at Harmattan and/or Competitors / Offtopics sections mess disproves this short sighted notion. No section for Mer derivatives may not bother those who use Maemo only, or Harmattan only, because they don't care. But those who use them have no place to post and discuss current developments. There is no reason to prevent it, except just to annoy people. Why do that? And don't be arrogant. A lot of people will come soon who don't care or don't know about Maemo, and neither about Harmattan, but are interested in new platforms like Sailfish or Plasma Active. You don't welcome them on the forum? Or you propose them to post in Harmattan section, or may be in Offtopics? Think about that before saying there is no need to restructure anything.
Eventually who makes the decision on restructuring anyway?
I haven't seen a single post of anyone saying "no need to restructure anything"
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2013-01-23
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Originally Posted by thedead1440
I saw a whole bunch of these posts above:
I haven't seen a single post of anyone saying "no need to restructure anything"
Originally Posted by AMD
The forum is great as is. No need to change anything..
Originally Posted by khm
and etc. supporting comments about no need to restructure now, until much later. The point it - if not now, the mess will become much worse, and people won't be interested in discussing stuff here.
There is no need to change this forum. Changing the domain name is a little silly. Ubuntu in particular already has a massive established community.
I don't want to see maemo.org change focus to all of this unrelated stuff. I am a Maemo user, not a 'whatever is on engadget this week' person. What is wrong with having a place focus on Maemo? Why is there some invisible mandate to change ourselves over to some other thing? Who will pay the server bills for that?
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2013-01-23
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Well if you listen to AMD for anything then you need to think again
khm's main point seems to be about the domain change if you read it in context and he was showing you don't need to change focus like changing underwear...
I earlier on suggested restructuring to be put off till all migration is complete as surely Board+Council have enough on their plate to keep lights on instead of thinking about this; but I don't see a problem in a discussion happening now... Its good for ideas to be thrown around and maybe Council can decide on next election or whatever to have a vote etc for it...
Also weren't you the one who has been pushing to discuss things on opentablets.org since quite some while stating many reasons? I went there and registered when you were pushing for it and an acceptance email never arrived and now it says:
So maybe its better to get things right with proper critiques instead of becoming emotional and leading to a lights off scenario? Taking this in khm's context seems even more apt; don't you think so?
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khm's main point seems to be about the domain change if you read it in context and he was showing you don't need to change focus like changing underwear...
I earlier on suggested restructuring to be put off till all migration is complete as surely Board+Council have enough on their plate to keep lights on instead of thinking about this; but I don't see a problem in a discussion happening now... Its good for ideas to be thrown around and maybe Council can decide on next election or whatever to have a vote etc for it...
Also weren't you the one who has been pushing to discuss things on opentablets.org since quite some while stating many reasons? I went there and registered when you were pushing for it and an acceptance email never arrived and now it says:
The time has come for OpenTablets.org to shutdown..
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2013-01-23
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I proposed OpenTablets as an alternative in case the restructuring here would never happen. Unfortunately that forum is closing now, due to admins having some other issues, so don't count on it for anything.
I'm all for making things right here, but timing can be an important factor if you consider (hopefully) close Sailfish arrival.
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I'm all for making things right here, but timing can be an important factor if you consider (hopefully) close Sailfish arrival.
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Having said that, I'm fine with keeping domain/site_name as is, so long as there's been a robust discussion that comes to the conclusion that it's the optimal approach LT.
A discussion that has plenty "for" and "against" arguments, and sees a majority of folks arguing for, & voting for, the status-quo.
It's way too early to be at the point where we have that discussion, which is what I've been alluding too since my very 1st post on this.
Then there's the fact that such a discussion isn't even intended for this thread, my mea culpa for injecting it into this one...
What I find odd, is opinions that want to rule-out such conceptions, long before we're even at a point where we can make reasonable assessments.
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