Discussion about openness is hilarious, all people mean different thins the discussion should have ended with my two statements. Wide open and totally closed.

In the end, openness has not fully proven itself to be as big of an advantage on my mobile device as it has been for my server and desktop.

It'll get there one day very soon where it will be an advantage. But a lot of very small things need to happen.

But companies like Ubuntu/Mark Shuttleworth make it harder for those things to happen when they take advantage of opensource development and don't contribute back until much later down the road after they've profited from it.

Just my opinion there too, btw. The rest is an argument about which sector do you belong in. It's funny though in the end how there's really no true opensource distros based off of truly opensource and/or hobbyist operating systems on my device that's more powerful as the computer(s) that went to the Moon.

Seriously. I use Haiku, Debian, Ubuntu, PC-BSD on my computer alongside OS X and Windows - all via VM's. But no VM on my cellphone. Or a hobbyist OS.

Nothing that's not a custom Android ROM. I can't install MeeGo on anything. Or no Maemo on anything. The year of mobile Linux can't come fast enough. Perhaps I'll have more of a choice of what/how I install on an open enough piece of hardware that isn't dictated by a company I don't trust but a community I don't mind participating in.

To me, that's my real dream. Not an argument over who/what is more open.

That's just a distraction because none of it truly matters because not a one of them are truly open. And none of their OS's are truly portable - meaning I can't install wherever I wish.

Anyone knows if jolla planning to broadcast a live stream form the announcement?

would also be cool if someone willing to ask this question to jolla via facebook or twitter?

AFAIK webos is most open?

Lol. Define open

LOL. What does it matter?

No seriously. Why even ****ing care?

It doesn't. It's just that all people have their own view of open, openness.

Hey, what device is the best?

Then why ask?

The one that works for you best.

A definition makes it easier to answer the question about what is most open.

But your answer can be :The one that is most open for you.

And with an answer like that, the definition is irrelevant.

I dare you to make less sense.