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Marcelo - when it is released, will there be instructions on if canola tuning is required and how it is used.
I see that Canola Tuning is a "Python scripts to tune Canola". Not sure what that means!
So is Python required to be installed also for Canola2 to work? Or just this tuning thing?
thanks.

The problem is that I was looking for Canola2 to provide an improvement on OS2008 versus the other media player offerings. None of the other offerings provide this so I thought Canola2 would address it to differentiate itself. And I assumed the lack of this feature in other offerings was due to immaturity of those applications.

Let me be specific about my use case.

I download MP3/podcasts (or stream them). I like to listen to them at night and fall asleep to them. Before I lay down, I want to navigate to various MP3 files and 'Add to playlist'. Perhaps I will only add 2 tracks. These files are normally talk shows, not music. Currently these tracks are via UPNP (which I understand is being added by a third party which is another discussion).

Specifically for Podcasts, why would anyone listen to them in random order? Why cant I just select a podcast and select 'Add to playlist' so I can add 1 or 2.

As far as desktop users, I use winamp. When I listen to my media library, I sometimes use random/shuffle mode. However when I download new music or podcasts, I typically browse to the folder and select 'Enqueue in Winamp' to add to the current playlist. Its hard for me to imagine that this is such an obscure use case. I must be too old.

One user on here mentioned an app called Mediastreamer that supposedly handles this, but it never worked for me on OS2008. I really looked for Canola2 to be the OS2008 platform media player since I think it caused a lot of developers to pause interest in updating their own media players to run on OS2008.

As far as 'does not bode well for the future', what I meant is that if the dev team could not add this easily, I have a feeling that the software architecture is not setup for this type of user operation and I am going to be waiting a long time. This is just my gut feeling as a software developer myself.

@Tabster:

Canola tuning is on garage (it was a .deb install) using application manager, and creates 2 shortcuts for you :

Album Covers and Video Thumbnailer.

You click, hit start and wait.

We are actually adding it to the maemo extras repos to make it easier.

In the future the plan is to integrate most of the things (everythiung except the download of covers which is a legal issue)

About python, Canola2 uses python in almost all it's code. So the whole application is python (almost hheeh) the LMS scanner is in C because it needs to be really fast... as the drawing routines (EFL 16 bits) are also in C. The rest is pure python + EDJE (EFL UI scripting language)

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Hi krbvroc1 ,

Actually you need the add to playlist then (I think we will "suffice" your need.. but the problem was not the dev team, and there's a little bit of difference of "simple" to fast to do.

But here comes the thing: if you ask me, it's was not developers fault. It was more design issue (myself on blame). Why? Because, instead of just going there and doing something like crazy (to be fast we need to do that sometimes) I really wanted to have time to do it the best way, not only to solve Add to playlist problems, but also prevent canola of becoming a bloat of features in what was mean to be a simple UI.

Adding the playlist support, ask for the "edit" mode. So instead of adding one more button in all the list users browser daily we will do a "Edit" mode, where you can create a new playlist, and browse your songs to add items to it.

But It does take time to do the right way, to provide the same feature for third party developers, and in the end... it was more about "Is anybody free to do that?" .. and we were fixing dbus bindings bugs, music playback volume oddities, scanner not finding formats, etc etc.

I can easily go for my team buddies and say that the architecture does support it quite easily, but it takes time to design a integrated solution, that doesn't interfere with other things. and we are lacking times for the basics :/

But, don't worry if it's on the list will be done before we hit the "final" what we call "no beta" release. (march)

: Believe there's a lot of people that don't use the "Enqueue".
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booo~!! go get an ipod touch~!!

Hi Tabster

I recently included a page in my own "Canola2 Beta Howto" blog thread of six pages to show with a few screen grabs, what happens when using these tuning plugins here

am i missing something? has it been released?

not yet, but it will today! =) don't worry =)

Boo on you. Why would I want to support Apple and their product lockin?

I want to support a Linux based open platform which is why I spent my money on Nokia N800 and followed the rules by submitting bug reports and communicating my needs to the developers.

But how soon, Marcelo? =)

krbvroc1, fully agreed with you.

ohh please, but you were so quick to off canola from your list. I guess you didnt realize that this is mainly a bug update and not adding new features. Your remark was not very encouraging to the developers. Try supporting them next time.