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bazz	2013-11-27 , 00:09
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Sorry to ask this again, but is this something that will work in the USA? And being in the US, is it something I can donate/purchase too providing it does work on US carriers?

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	kingoddball	2013-11-27 , 00:28
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Seems like there (could) will be a few different options for the LTE/3G chipset, so it will work in US and the rest of the world, you may need to change your carrier though

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	joerg_rw	2013-11-27 , 11:20
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Linux:

Code:

root@eeePC:~# lsusb
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0951:1606 Kingston Technology Eee PC 701 SD Card Reader [ENE UB6225]
Bus 001 Device 003: ID eb1a:2761 eMPIA Technology, Inc. EeePC 701 integrated Webcam
root@eeePC:~# lsusb
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0951:1606 Kingston Technology Eee PC 701 SD Card Reader [ENE UB6225]
Bus 001 Device 003: ID eb1a:2761 eMPIA Technology, Inc. EeePC 701 integrated Webcam
Bus 001 Device 004: ID 1e2d:0054  
root@eeePC:~# ls -l /dev/ttyAC*
crw-rw---T 1 root dialout 166, 0 Nov 27 11:56 /dev/ttyACM0
root@eeePC:~# cat /dev/ttyACM0


^SYSSTART

^C
root@eeePC:~#

Terminal Program:

Code:

^SYSSTART
ati
Cinterion
PHS8-E
REVISION 03.001

OK

Please notice this is a mechnical and modem module evaluation prototype only!

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klinglerware	2013-11-27 , 15:16
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Originally Posted by bazz

Sorry to ask this again, but is this something that will work in the USA? And being in the US, is it something I can donate/purchase too providing it does work on US carriers?

Yes (assuming that the proposed cellular modules work out) and Yes.

Your best bet would be to purchase with the PLS8-US module.
- Basic telephony and EDGE data should work with either the main GSM networks in the US (T-Mobile USA and AT&T), or any MVNO that utilizes those main networks
- It looks like the required 3G/LTE bands for both T-mobile and AT&T are included
- What is not clear is if non-US 3G that uses the 2100 band will work (not sure if the AWS 2100 band and the "Band 1" 2100 band are compatible, I'm guessing no but I could be wrong).

Also, users from the US have successful donated to the project.

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	endsormeans	2013-11-27 , 17:40
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Did I miss some critical update info in my mad excitement or isn't the module with UMTS HSPA with CDMA also still viable with (basically...essentially) global communications acceptability?

Last thing I realllly want is the perfect open device...but only be able to use my device in a predefined area and unable to use it while travelling..... let alone be hostage to telecom giants

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klinglerware	2013-11-27 , 17:55
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Originally Posted by endsormeans

Did I miss some critical update info in my mad excitement or isn't the module with cdma also still viable with (basically...essentially) global communications acceptability?

Last thing I realllly want is the perfect open device...but only be able to use my device in a predefined area and unable to use it while travelling..... let alone be hostage to telecom giants

Yes, the "CDMA" module seems like a doable option as it has the main global 3G bands covered.

Curious if the CDMA bands themselves will be usable (e.g., I've never seen "unlocked" phones being used with CDMA telco providers in the US, for example)

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	endsormeans	2013-11-27 , 18:00
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Same here in Canada...concerning unlocked phones ...cdma...and telecom giants....I'll have to gaargle around and rout out some answers...

Update: UMTS HSPA with CDMA ...cursory digging so far looks absolutely fine ..from where I'm standing...Almost all our Canadian (monstrously-huge-and beastly) telecom giants seem to have no prob with the module...which is great....the flexibility of that module frees me from a dependancy nightmare ALL Canadians face.
We have one of the best telecommunications networks on the planet....unfortunately pay the highest fees on the planet. The more options for Canadians to not get trapped by service providers and their (planned) limited band "offerings" ....an "either/or" option service wise is not a road I wish to travel down any longer.
If the whole bloody nation new about the neo900 I am sure that 20 million of the 30 million Canadians would be throwing their wallets at the neo900 project.

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	joerg_rw	2013-11-27 , 18:18
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Available modem variants (subject to change without prior notice during design evaluation)

PLS8 LTE (2 variants Europe[world] and USA)

Code:

>> PLS8-E:
Quad Band LTE: 800/900/1800/2600 MHz, FDD-Band (20,8,3,7)
Tri Band UMTS (WCDMA): 900/1800/2100 MHz,
FDD-Band (8,3,1)
Dual Band GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 900/1800 MHz
>> PLS8-US
Quad Band LTE: 700/850/AWS(1700/2100)/1900 MHz,
FDD-Band (17,5,4,2)
Tri Band UMTS (WCDMA): 850/AWS(1700/2100)/1900 MHz,
FDD-Band (5,4,2)  ["/" after 850 added by editor]
Quad Band GSM/GRPS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz

http://m2m.gemalto.com/tl_files/cint...t_PLS8_web.pdf

PXS8 global 3G

Code:

>> Five-Bands UMTS/HSPA+ (WCDMA /FDD)
(800/850/900/1900/2100 MHz)
UMTS / HSPA+, 3GPP release 6 / 7
Rx-Diversity with Equalizer (Type 3i)
Enhanced F-DPCH, DTX, DRX, SCH-IC
>> Quad-Band GSM (850/900/1800/1900 MHz)
GSM / GPRS / EDGE, 3GPP release 99 / 4
Improved SAIC
>> Triple Band CDMA2000, Bands: BC0/BC1 &
BC10 subclass 2+3 (800/1900MHz), 3GPP2: 1xAdvanced,
EV-DO Rev. A, QLIC, Rx-Diversity, Equalizer

BC0: 800MHz, BC1: 1900MHz
BC10, subclass 2+3:

Code:

System Designator C, Subclass 2
 Mobile  816.000–820.975
 Base  861.000–865.975
System Designator D, Subclass 3
 Mobile  821.000–823.975
 Base  866.000–868.975

http://m2m.gemalto.com/tl_files/cint...t_PXS8_web.pdf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_CDMA2000_networks

Click HERE to see read about PXS8 and Verizon, HERE for docs about AT cmdset to select which of the bands/RAT to use (thanks wentknweqt!)

Sorry we can't offer global LTE, since USA and rest of the world again insisted in perpetuating incompatibility for market protection
PHS8 and PVS8 also available on inquiry, though I don't see why anybody would want them.

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klinglerware	2013-11-27 , 19:03
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Yes, thinking about this further, Global 3G might be preferable to "Regionally-Restricted" LTE. HSPA+ has been adequate for me. Hardware limitations of the n900 have bottlenecked performance on fast wi-fi, so who knows how much benefit LTE would really add.

I don't know the answer, but the "best" module could be a tough decision depending on your use case.

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	endsormeans	2013-11-27 , 20:23
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Originally Posted by klinglerware

Yes, thinking about this further, Global 3G might be preferable to "Regionally-Restricted" LTE. HSPA+ has been adequate for me. Hardware limitations of the n900 have bottlenecked performance on fast wi-fi, so who knows how much benefit LTE would really add.

I don't know the answer, but the "best" module could be a tough decision depending on your use case.

As an example take a look at a map of bc or van. isle and the various coloured zones of service-providing access .Yes most of the pop. on the island or the mainland live along the coast and we have A TON of wilderness...but believe me...you'll laugh when you see it
I swear

....using the latest-greatest service if I move right or left 2 feet I swear I'm out of the service area....that coupled with service-providing giants restricting (kind word for choking XD) and herding the end user...I personally don't care at all if the device is "global/flexible" scrawled in yellow crayon on 2 tin cans with frayed string as the conduit (thankfully the neo900 will look...and I'm sure will perform better than the 2 cans)...AS LONG AS I CAN CALL AND RECEIVE, HEAR AND BE UNDERSTOOD CLEARLY that is all that matters....it beats the hell out of having a super-fly faster-than-light service I can only use while standing on my head... halfway up a spruce tree ....on a cliff ....by the ocean....on a clear day....with an unobstructed line of sight