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2014-10-24 , 20:47
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The whole problem here, is if they want any help. The problem with community that you need to cooperate with them. But it seems they do not want it or want it only in exactly way they see it acceptable.
The whole problem that kills opensource, linux based projects are turning them only into product to sell and profit of...
Yeah, there are definitely areas where the community wants to help but Jolla is either not willing or able to accept the help. For example:
  • translations - the promised official translation platform still does not exist but unofficial translations efforts are ongoing on Transifex
  • application development by the community - most community apps are still blocked from Harbour
  • bug hunting - still hampered by the lack of proper public bug tracker, TJC is a mess for this and people might start not to bother if reports on TJC rot for months without any reaction
  • TOH development - this is definitely moving forward, but pretty much without any cooperation from Jolla after the initial hardware enablement and SDK
  • cooperation on Sailfish OS development - this is definitely improving, as the recent community contributed Conmann hotfix shows, but it is still hampered by components being undocumented, not really having any upstream, lacking a roadmap or being outright closed thus making contributions impossible
  • low level development - at least until recently was pretty much completely blocked by the lack of a flashable image
So I would say one can't really blame the community for being too passive - there are certainly people willing to help, but quite often can't until Jolla does their part of the "deal".
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#32
Originally Posted by MartinK View Post
Yeah, there are definitely areas where the community wants to help but Jolla is either not willing or able to accept the help. For example:
  • translations - the promised official translation platform still does not exist but unofficial translations efforts are ongoing on Transifex
  • application development by the community - most community apps are still blocked from Harbour
  • bug hunting - still hampered by the lack of proper public bug tracker, TJC is a mess for this and people might start not to bother if reports on TJC rot for months without any reaction
  • TOH development - this is definitely moving forward, but pretty much without any cooperation from Jolla after the initial hardware enablement and SDK
  • cooperation on Sailfish OS development - this is definitely improving, as the recent community contributed Conmann hotfix shows, but it is still hampered by components being undocumented, not really having any upstream, lacking a roadmap or being outright closed thus making contributions impossible
  • low level development - at least until recently was pretty much completely blocked by the lack of a flashable image
So I would say one can't really blame the community for being too passive - there are certainly people willing to help, but quite often can't until Jolla does their part of the "deal".
I see the endless loop of we tell what's wrong and even propose how it can be done, willing to help. We are not heard, at some point it's called rant and whinning. We get more and more attention, there is some few words/cooperation from jolla, after which everyone forget how long it took and that it was proposed at the beginning and they godship jolla as they did it from the beginning as own initials (same people calling you as hater)
When n900 or n9 got less attention from company, at least there there was strong community with great devs, Jolla decided to keep the most hacking to themselves and get the community of fan boys mostly
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As much as I love the Inebriati skit (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yEUlDNs8j-Q) still hoping for some good jolla related ideas
I'm not sure if you actually grasp the concept. But we are talking about something without anything real. The idea of something without something. But the feeling. The idea of the feeling. And to get there we need to communicate.
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Originally Posted by ZogG View Post
I see the endless loop of we tell what's wrong and even propose how it can be done, willing to help. We are not heard, at some point it's called rant and whinning. We get more and more attention, there is some few words/cooperation from jolla, after which everyone forget how long it took and that it was proposed at the beginning and they godship jolla as they did it from the beginning as own initials (same people calling you as hater)
When n900 or n9 got less attention from company, at least there there was strong community with great devs, Jolla decided to keep the most hacking to themselves and get the community of fan boys mostly
I have to disagree strongly, jolla was very open why internal tracker has to be closed (oxy***** but it isn't once you consider business obligations), again this thread is about ideas that don't require jolla to break business partnerships/relationships/selling stock, more about what the community can do on its own, without 'release all the sources' crying.

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I'm not sure if you actually grasp the concept. But we are talking about something without anything real. The idea of something without something. But the feeling. The idea of the feeling. And to get there we need to communicate.
no pls don't, sjws talk feelings first, not gonna play that game, sorry (your free speech ends where my feelings are hurt... no)
 
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no pls don't, sjws talk feelings first, not gonna play that game, sorry (your free speech ends where my feelings are hurt... no)
http://www.pragmaticmarketing.com/re...product-launch
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http://www.pragmaticmarketing.com/re...product-launch
dave, the product was launched a year ago
 
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dave, the product was launched a year ago
Yes, so? It's a process both before and after. The idea must live and be told. What's the idea of jolla?
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Yes, so? It's a process both before and after. The idea must live and be told. What's the idea of jolla?
don't want to speak for the company but for me linux on mobile (which is why lack of x was so bothering me), and full linux at that not bionic nonsense (still we lost dynamic power management and few other glitches but make && install is still best on jolla afaik)
 
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don't want to speak for the company but for me linux on mobile (which is why lack of x was so bothering me), and full linux at that not bionic nonsense (still we lost dynamic power management and few other glitches but make && install is still best on jolla afaik)
Not sure I would go for that sales pitch
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