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2015-11-20 , 07:44
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#1921
Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
There was a time Apple borrowed $150 million from Microsoft and things worked out just fine for them. The problem with faith is that folks must be willing to give it.

I do not see a lot of that.

Almost like folks are happy to be proven right that a small company of what seems to be our peers in one fashion or another is failing. That's not how it should be. Not at all.
You Are completly missing What Im saying.

But let's see where the money takes Jolla if they won't deliver tablet if anyone even wants to invest with the failed shipping of tablet.
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2015-11-20 , 08:43
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#1922
Originally Posted by nieldk View Post
I actually contributed, and to the follow-up. So if anyone goes to Greece. You can pick up a bottle of Ouzo

Seriously. I just twitted Jolla to convert my order to donation. Not much, but ... I hope they will continue.
Nice gesture but it seems they won't needing your generous offer to do so.

In retrospect, should we not have responded to the tablet campaign with a "no thanks, Jolla" in order to protect Jolla from loosing its focus on perfecting and making Sailfish truly feature complete?
And thus giving it a true chance to emerge as THE most wanted and obvious choice alternative (and worth to pay for) mobile phone OS?
Nokia N9 was such a product that could have sold itself if basic support cycle was not interrupted prematurely. I thought the people involved in creating this should have known what to do. Create the same appeal.

On a side note, Intel does not seem to bring good luck to European mobile OS efforts.
Jolla x86 Sailfish 2.0 tablet announcement brought back those memories from 2010 Maemo becomes MeeGo blah blah , partnership with intel etc..
As always, a critical deviation by some overhead premature deal by managers and momentum gets lost.

By that thinking I am not ready to symbolically re-gift my tablet + 64GB campaign money, which I consider lost to a not urgent 2.0 interface "refreshment" project, before to Jolla commits to restructure and regain focus first.

Hope they will find ground to continue on the the voluntary drive of people that want Sailfish to succeed that can finally work on fixing those top page together.jolla.com requests to make Sailfish an natural choice even for Android exclusive app addicts.

As always I 'd love to pay 100 Euro per Sailfish OS license on a sensible choice of platform (Fairphone looks fine enough to me)
 
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2015-11-20 , 08:44
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#1923
Tablet deliveries are IMO not that big thing financially when compared to cost of running the business. So, in that regard trying to cut costs by dropping Tablet altogether servers no purpose as it instantly destroys all the credibility Jolla has left as a company and with it goes their future. So, Tablet deliveries are a priority among other things, which are:

- closing the financial round, it certainly looks like there is difference of opinions about the strategy
- pushing the Intex-relationship forward as it's success is crucial in attracting other manufacturers

[speculation]Regarding investors, they seem to question Jolla's direction. There has been talk about open sourcing Sailfish OS but for some reason it has not advanced and judging from latest irc-meeting, they have not been in a position to make such decision without approval from investors and when the company is making ~€10m losses annually, it might be hard to convince them to "let's just give everything away for free!"-model. This is why they are suggesting a licensing scheme very similar to Qt, which would allow wide access for the people at the same time they could collect income from corporations willing to create devices based on Sailfish. But this is up to investors to decide and that agreement seems to be crucial for securing additional funding. I'm quite sure there is some serious discussion about the strategy, priorities, structure etc... currently Jolla is everything but sustainable and the direction has to change rather sooner than later.[/speculation]
 
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2015-11-20 , 09:20
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#1924
Originally Posted by JulmaHerra View Post
- closing the financial round, it certainly looks like there is difference of opinions about the strategy
- pushing the Intex-relationship forward as it's success is crucial in attracting other manufacturers
Are those two not likely to converge especially when Intex sees this crisis as an opportunity to get a grip on and majority participation in Jolla?

In my opinion the 2.0 interface changes being partially unfinished seem the result not so much from long term strategy but from recent partnership with Intex.
Intex seems like they are best positioned to purchase Jolla as their own OS and fit it in their "independency from imports".


Intex to Invest INR 10 Billion in New Handset Plant in India
Oct 6 15

Intex plans to invest INR 10 billion to open a manufacturing plant at Greater Noida in Uttar Pradesh. Via this move, the company seeks to end its dependence on imports to meet its demand. The company also plans to invest an additional INR 5 billion in research and development over the next few years.


I even see the Jolla first line support department moving to India to match location of the then biggest future Jolla market.

After all Jolla has been without service center for quite a while (the writings were on the wall quite a long time already in those service related posts "bear with us" ).
 
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2015-11-20 , 09:22
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The interesting thing would be if Jolla somehow made it back to its feet, and was even making a profit, could the attract a few of the original cast back.

Would investors dare put more money in? Since it seems they were breaking ground in Asia.
 
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2015-11-20 , 10:51
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Originally Posted by ste-phan View Post
In retrospect, should we not have responded to the tablet campaign with a "no thanks, Jolla" in order to protect Jolla from loosing its focus on perfecting and making Sailfish truly feature complete?
You don't get it, do you? Nothing you say makes a shred of difference to Jolla. They have their mouths full of words like "people driven" but that is just PR to fool naiive peole like you. They are a corporation and their decisions are made by the management. The only time when they seem to "listen to the community" are when their decisions happen to agree with some of the community's. Like dropping the ExFAT support on the tablet, for example, despite the implied promise to implement it on reaching that stretch goal.

The decision to make the tablet was made long before and the work on it was well underway by the time it was officially announced. The whole IGG campaign was nothing but a PR stunt (that eventually backfired, but that is irrelevant).

(Sorry, nothing personal against ste-phan, the "you" I used in the above can refer to anyone who fell for the delusion of "openness".)
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2015-11-20 , 11:18
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Originally Posted by pichlo View Post
You don't get it, do you? Nothing you say makes a shred of difference to Jolla. They have their mouths full of words like "people driven" but that is just PR to fool naiive peole like you. They are a corporation and their decisions are made by the management. The only time when they seem to "listen to the community" are when their decisions happen to agree with some of the community's. Like dropping the ExFAT support on the tablet, for example, despite the implied promise to implement it on reaching that stretch goal.

The decision to make the tablet was made long before and the work on it was well underway by the time it was officially announced. The whole IGG campaign was nothing but a PR stunt (that eventually backfired, but that is irrelevant).
Quite negative view of the world?
 
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2015-11-20 , 11:19
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Originally Posted by Dave999 View Post
Equally important. But what business will you do when the market lose faith in your ability to deliver.
Once again Dave, No Money == No Tablets. Money == Tablets.

100 millions won't help you.
It'll get you tablets.

I have seen to many focus on the money when it's the credibility and reputation that matters.
The credibility and reputation of an empty building? Why would anybody care about that?

Again, all I'm saying is that a Jolla with a poor reputation would have a chance. A nonexistent company with a good reputation is pointless. And in any case, you're missing my point -- there's no tablets without money, but with money, tablets will happen.
 
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2015-11-20 , 11:41
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Originally Posted by pichlo View Post
You don't get it, do you? Nothing you say makes a shred of difference to Jolla.
Wow. They are indeed a corporation, and therefore do tend to act in ways that are not necessarily aligned with individual folks. But I've gotta say, as a guy in the US, Jolla has a lot more interest in and interaction with its customers (and with folks just off the street) than anybody around here seems to have...

The decision to make the tablet was made long before and the work on it was well underway by the time it was officially announced.
I dunno about that. It feels to me more like a campaign that was slapped together at the last minute. They needed a new way to advertise Jolla, they saw the sales effort from Intel, found a low-cost retina-display tablet on offer from China, and went for it... In fact, that "Day Zero: Bootstrapping" blog only came out on December 17th, a month after the campaign had started, and they really hadn't progressed all that far at that point.

The whole IGG campaign was nothing but a PR stunt (that eventually backfired, but that is irrelevant).
No argument from me on that one.
 
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Originally Posted by att View Post
Quite negative view of the world?
Can you spell "denial"?
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