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aegis	2015-12-04 , 09:41
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Originally Posted by Ken-Young

People like a familiar UI, because they are too lazy to learn something new. Also, when you are presented with an unfamiliar UI, you often hate it, because you immediately notice that the tricks you'd learned about your old UI don't work anymore, and you do not yet know the cool tricks the new UI allows.

I don't get that. Surely the generally more open and informed Linux users understand there are better ways than the familiar?

I wrote Windows software from Windows 2.X until I started my own company in 2000. I was quite familiar with it. But I also wrote software for Motif, OS/2 and at home had a Mac, Amiga and ran BeOS & Linux. I was familiar enough with all of those to realise which sucked the most.

It dissapoints when Windows or Android get held up as some kind of gold standard in UI design because people are familiar with them.

	ZogG	2015-12-04 , 10:00
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Originally Posted by MartinK

War ?

zypper - package manager used on OpenSuse (and also available for Sailfish OS)
apt-get - package manager on Debian
yum - package manager currently used on RHEL<=7 and Fedora <22
dnf - yum replacement (#unlike yum has sane refactored codebase and works with Python 3)

Also note that package manager is something else than the packaging forma - zypper, yum and dnf work on top of RPM packages while apt-get works on top of dpkg/deb packages.

only emerge, only hardcore

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att	2015-12-04 , 10:06
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Originally Posted by aegis

Same here. I've never understood why the more WindowsXP like UIs are so popular with some Linux users. It's what held me back from using Linux for years. It's still not as nice as the Mac UI but making it look like Windows?

I'm using both GNOME2 and GNOME3. GNOME3 has still many flaws like focus goes stuck, focus going to wrong window, scrollbars not working properly (UI design and implementation issues), gnome shell running out resources, unlocking getting stuck, virtual keyboard for tablets not having international support, some windows too large for screen. I could go on. But yes, GNOME3 looks nice but I'm not using it for looking pretty. I use it to actually do something

salyavin	2015-12-04 , 18:18
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say stskeeps post this link on twitter
Kickstarter is Debt https://blog.bolt.io/kickstarter-is-...180#.llvxsrf9e

"Crowdfunding dollars should be focused on production costs (tooling, inventory, packaging, logistics) rather than development costs (customer development, prototyping, salaries)."

	Stskeeps	2015-12-04 , 21:16
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Originally Posted by salyavin

say stskeeps post this link on twitter
Kickstarter is Debt https://blog.bolt.io/kickstarter-is-...180#.llvxsrf9e

"Crowdfunding dollars should be focused on production costs (tooling, inventory, packaging, logistics) rather than development costs (customer development, prototyping, salaries)."

Don't mistake that for anything Jolla-related - it's my personal account, not to mention I'm not an Jolla employee anymore. If you see my Twitter feed, I spew everything from Pet Shop Boys to satanistic pigeons. Not to mention I don't always agree with what I share.

mikecomputing	2015-12-04 , 21:25
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2015: Still people discussion those stupid back buttons.

I wonder if no one except TMO folks has seen sailfishos/harmattan swipe ui...

http://www.alexl.netsons.org/blogpos...e-back-button/

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billranton	2015-12-04 , 22:17
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Originally Posted by tangent

woohoo!
Order #1400000387 jolla tablet 64 gb
igg pre-order groupgroup 4 completed.
Order date: December 3, 2015
i will keep you posted

This reads like tangent received an invite to complete his tablet order on Thursday.

Last edited by billranton; 2015-12-05 at 14:53.

szopin	2015-12-04 , 23:36
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Originally Posted by Stskeeps

Don't mistake that for anything Jolla-related - it's my personal account, not to mention I'm not an Jolla employee anymore. If you see my Twitter feed, I spew everything from Pet Shop Boys to satanistic pigeons. Not to mention I don't always agree with what I share.

Oh good, thought it might've been preparations for post-mortem post.

BTW, jokes/puns aside, people here calling Dave bit extreme when he calls fraud might not be right at all, FTC vs Kickstarter is not uncommon anymore (http://www.cnet.com/news/ftc-goes-af...e-kickstarter/). Sure Indiegogo is not US-based kickstarter, but failure to deliver is pretty much the same. Will this impact people currently buying jollas and they will fail to provide 2 year warranty (even with skeleton crew?) if such thing hits them? Hard to say, probably choice of IGG over KS could protect them from it, then again EU version of FTC might still be preparing first case, we'll have to wait and see

salyavin	2015-12-05 , 00:14
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I thought there were understood risks in a crowdfunding project. I have concerns about some that may not be honest like Ubitab, I know little of that board game project. I think many crowdfunding campaigns run into unexpected difficulties and expenses and may lack experience.