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2016-01-11
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Anyone wanting a project? https://www.youtube.com/v/L75YTcEetkw
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2016-01-11
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Originally Posted by Ken-Young
You'll need to elaborate on that.
Regarding your real question, I guess I've been both lazy and poorly informed. For example, I thought that Wayland would provide the sort of effortless X11 compatibility one gets on Mac OS X.
"Effortless"? Sure.
"Integrated with the host window manager, clipboard, etc."? Most probably not.
Originally Posted by Ken-Young
Simple "X11-in-a-window" is _trivial_. I don't know what the hell you're talking about since by now you've already had examples of X11 programs in both Sailfish and Ubuntu Touch.
The thing I personally need *most* is X11 server mode on my handheld, displaying for a remote client. It doesn't look to me like that's available either with SailfishOS or Ubuntu Touch.
Originally Posted by Ken-Young
What exactly did you make believe that?
For those OSs it looks like X11 capability, at best, supports local X11 clients.
Originally Posted by Ken-Young
Ah, welcome to the wonderful world of open source!
And there are these little caveats like "input doesn't work", etc., which make a big difference to me.
If you're thinking Xwayland for sailfish, the primary reason touchscreen input does not work is that I find touchscreen support useless without a stylus and thus I didn't give it a second thought. Keyboard and mouse work quite OK.
Originally Posted by Ken-Young
For the "X11-in-a-window" setup, no, not really. The amount of complexity is the same and there's no difference in functionality. And what's the problem with headless? In fact, Xvnc would do wonders here?
Using VNC is much more cumbersome than having a real X11 server, and some of the remote machines I work with are headless.
Originally Posted by Ken-Young
Ah, so if you've used regular X11 desktop programs on Maemo then you're already used to the intricacies of poor window manager integration, and most probably you're already using Xephyr. Is that the case?
I guess my best course is to wait for Pyra. If both my n900s (and any neo900 that I get my hands on) die before Pyras ship, my best course might then be to try to get SailfishOS running on a Nexus 5 (or whatever is the best "supported" hardware at that time) and try to strip out Wayland and substitute X11.
If so, you fall straight into the "X11-in-a-window" use case which is trivial. Vnc, Xsdl, Xwayland all will successfully implement this on almost any device you can think of.
The "other" use case, which includes integration with Hildon as window manager, is more complicated, and most probably irreproducible on the Jolla. Some "un-hildonized" programs are still somewhat usable under Hildon; but the number is greatly reduced under Harmattan or Jolla.
Originally Posted by Ken-Young
And Wayland itself is also hugely fragmented. I personally will stuck with X11 on my desktop as long as I can.
The fragmentation of Linux display managers into X11, Surfaceflinger, Wayland and Mir is certainly a grim development. I know X11 is full of ancient cruft and providing full X11 server compatibility involves supporting crazy things like its old, ugly pixel fonts, but given Android's huge market share, I think Jolla and Ubuntu should have just gone with Surfaceflinger.
But Surfaceflinger? WHY?
Originally Posted by Ken-Young
The iPhone already supports X11 as good as any other device.
The real irony is that if Apple were to implement the X11 capability in iOS that they provide in Mac OS X, my best choice for managing remote Linux servers would be an iPhone!
You're making this stuff much more complicated than it is.
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2016-01-12
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Originally Posted by railroadmaster
Considering I have a BQ E5 in my pocket to test this on,
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pa...hone-XMir-Apps
this would be astonishing news.
But when I follow the links it dribbles off into androidland
and is a thousand tweaks down a road of unfathomable murk.
I wish those devs well but
judging from the locked garden philosophy inside the Ubuntu stockade
this kind of development will never see the light of day.
They _rabidly_ lock down almost anything
that allows the user to type or act upon content or application settings in the device.
I checked the 'HELP' application yesterday to see what was inside, and it was embarrassing.
The nature of the way it is all composed is
to merely describe how to manage the display and zero anything else.
By far, almost 95% of all the apps on Ubuntu Touch are simply
what I call webfarts which are just glorified webpages stripped down and focused on.
There are very few application of any sort like LibreOffice.
This is so _not_ happening,
which for a distro originally arising directly from linux
is a sad statement on the human condition.
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2016-01-12
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Originally Posted by MINKIN2
This is very re-inspiring. ("Awesome" needs to be retired)
Anyone wanting a project? https://www.youtube.com/v/L75YTcEetkw
I have been testing these minikeyboards and can
say this - make certain you can do CTRL-ALT-F#
some of these keyboards need a Fn keypress
and it makes going to console a genuine PITB.
Bluetooth is useless until the OS has loaded.
(I still use it for silly things though)
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Three n900s: One for stable working platform,
One fordevelopment testing Chopping Onions
One forsaltwater immersion power testing resurrected ! parts scavenging
My Mods for Wonko's Advanced Clock Plugin:
ISO8601 clock mod and Momental_IST clock mod
Printing your Email with the N900
Three n900s: One for stable working platform,
One for
One for
My Mods for Wonko's Advanced Clock Plugin:
ISO8601 clock mod and Momental_IST clock mod
Printing your Email with the N900
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2016-01-19
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1GHz ARM Dual-Core Cortex-A7 pocket "server" running debian jessy on 3.4.105+ (no display).
https://getocean.io/
https://getocean.io/
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2016-01-19
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For what it's worth, I tried powering a friend's Raspberry Pi B+ with a 1080p touch display and USB keyboard using a 12,000 mAH battery. It ran for 19 hours 50 minutes, with the screen backlight on for about an hour of that time. Not too bad.
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2016-01-19
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Hi Ken, I am thinking along your lines, I got a GSM board that I was going to try and interface with.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01...ilpage_o09_s00
Last edited by linuxunux; 2016-01-19 at 06:27.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01...ilpage_o09_s00
Last edited by linuxunux; 2016-01-19 at 06:27.
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2016-01-19
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Originally Posted by Ken-Young
For comparison N900 consumes 250 mAh on md5sum, that would give you around 48h on 12000mah.
For what it's worth, I tried powering a friend's Raspberry Pi B+ with a 1080p touch display and USB keyboard using a 12,000 mAH battery. It ran for 19 hours 50 minutes, with the screen backlight on for about an hour of that time. Not too bad.
If you also consider there is no idle powermanagement on the pi yet, i wouldnt attach a battery to any of the pis.
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2016-01-19
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Originally Posted by pythoneye2
I was surprised the battery operated Pi did as well as it did. If my N900s both die, and the neo900, and Pyra fail to materialize, I think for my usecase I could get along with a battery operated Pi. Just barely... I've gotta say the 7", 1080p display on the Pi was beautiful. And a 12,000 mAH battery isn't too terribly big.
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If you also consider there is no idle powermanagement on the pi yet, i wouldnt attach a battery to any of the pis.
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2016-01-20
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Originally Posted by Ken-Young
Just intensely curious - about your 12000mah battery,
I was surprised the battery operated Pi did as well as it did. If my N900s both die, and the neo900, and Pyra fail to materialize, I think for my usecase I could get along with a battery operated Pi. Just barely... I've gotta say the 7", 1080p display on the Pi was beautiful. And a 12,000 mAH battery isn't too terribly big.
size and weight ? what make and model ?
Thanks
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Three n900s: One for stable working platform,
One fordevelopment testing Chopping Onions
One forsaltwater immersion power testing resurrected ! parts scavenging
My Mods for Wonko's Advanced Clock Plugin:
ISO8601 clock mod and Momental_IST clock mod
Printing your Email with the N900
Three n900s: One for stable working platform,
One for
One for
My Mods for Wonko's Advanced Clock Plugin:
ISO8601 clock mod and Momental_IST clock mod
Printing your Email with the N900
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