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Originally Posted by Copernicus
No. They are entirely dependent on the PR. Do you think Intex and others are not watching?
Hmm. Gotta say, if Jolla is entirely dependent on the goodwill of a group of people that provided them something like 2 million USD in revenue... <snip>
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Originally Posted by Copernicus
Well, we have bought anything they throwed at us. And what have they done the Last year?
They've been treating us like customers, supporters, and fans for years now. They didn't get any profits from us though, and went bankrupt. Why should the remnants of the company today even consider us a source of income for the future?
A different Jolla, one that looked to the open-source community as its market rather than to the mass market, might give you what you're looking for. But it'd have to be a much smaller company with a much different view of how to use Sailfish...
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Originally Posted by Copernicus
I've always thought the tablet plan had nothing to do with the tablet. The crowdfunding was intended to drum up positive press and bring in investors and licensees.
Hmm. Gotta say, if Jolla is entirely dependent on the goodwill of a group of people that provided them something like 2 million USD in revenue (leading to negative profit if you factor in the tablet R&D costs), Jolla was dead either way. If Jolla actually tries to give everyone a tablet or a full refund, I suspect it'll have an instant return to bankruptcy.
Even the use of Intel chips in the tablet had to be to bring in investment from Intel. No sane company would add another platform to it's support matrix in their position. There is no consumer level benefit to using Intel chips over arm for this device and continuing with Arm would have been much simpler for the engineers, app developers and the maintenance of the store front.
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2016-01-27
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Originally Posted by Copernicus
So company should not treat their customers as customers?
They've been treating us like customers, supporters, and fans for years now. They didn't get any profits from us though, and went bankrupt. Why should the remnants of the company today even consider us a source of income for the future?
A different Jolla, one that looked to the open-source community as its market rather than to the mass market, might give you what you're looking for. But it'd have to be a much smaller company with a much different view of how to use Sailfish...
They should sell phones to martians?
And btw how exactly they treated us like customers, supporters or fans?
They got money for product from us and made some PR in twitter/blog/media as "interaction" with users when it suited them.
There is still no bugtracker. They still go silent on topics they do not want to talk about. they did not share too many sources, made it easier to contribute.
What exactly they did this year different from any other company(even MS is interacting with customers and opensourced more last years)
On other hand Jolla had a huge community of 3rd party devs, hacker and so on, who could help to make OS, HW better and develop a lot of features and 3rd party apps, but for some reason those people slowly moved on and only few left.
Now you can tell me as much as you want how wrong I am - but fact that a lot of devs from amemo community moved on and even gave a try to Jolla is not arguable :P
So you would blame community on that too?
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Originally Posted by ZogG
I think you took this the wrong way.
So company should not treat their customers as customers?
They should sell phones to martians?
And btw how exactly they treated us like customers, supporters or fans?
Besides your incessant grievances about a faulty piece of hardware - lord forgive anybody that has ever released a faulty anything and it came across your path - but in the end, Jolla was a company that was out to satisfy customers, fans and supporters. The current set of grievances center around the lack of delivery of a crowd-funded tablet.
Last I checked, there are other crowd-funded flops and failures. But holy **** this circular discussion has gotten really, really ****ing annoying.
You know, I'd think in your case especially, but for many other people they'd just be happy if Jolla failed then disappeared so the old gripe of having no alternatives can make a comeback.
Otherwise, I'll return in 5 or so pages of the very same comments by the very same people saying the very same thing over and over ad infinitum.
Time to do something different.
And before it's misunderstood what I'm saying, I'm not happy with how this entire situation has been handled. I do not like the muddy communication from Jolla. I am not defending Jolla in the least. But in the end, all of this complaining doesn't resolve anything. Neither does my outbursts to be completely honest.
You guys can complain ad nauseum. It's your right. I can also state my opinion counter to those complaints... which is what I'm doing. I'm not saying stop what you're doing; but it's time to do something potentially different.
Meanwhile, I am searching for alternatives to iOS and Google. I hope that you are as well.
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2016-01-27
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Originally Posted by gerbick
I'm a new person in this thread.
You know, I'd think in your case especially, but for many other people they'd just be happy if Jolla failed then disappeared so the old gripe of having no alternatives can make a comeback.
Otherwise, I'll return in 5 or so pages of the very same comments by the very same people saying the very same thing over and over ad infinitum.
Time to do something different.
I wouldn't be happy for them to fail and disappear. But I would be happy for them to resolve it. One resolution would be failure and disappearing. To me the only way they can not deliver would be if they failed and disappeared.
Jolla itself has gone down a path far from what the 'about us' page states they are supposed to be about. Maybe the time is right for someone else to kickstart a phone or tablet based on Mer rather than Jolla's version if we want a proper linux alternative.
The biggest problem to my mind about why linux alternatives don't succeed is the fact it's too fractured. Everyone wants to back their own project. Contrast with the mass market which has settled on android/ios as good enough. (I lament for palm and blackberry, but this has turned into too big of a tangent so I'll end here..)
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Originally Posted by pichlo
Ah, the PR. Yeah, I can imagine that Intex' sales in India will drop like a stone once folks there find out that an Indiegogo campaign failed. And woosh! Those sales will rise straight through the roof if Jolla starts communicating with us again! Oh Happy Day, we now know how Jolla's fortunes can be turned around by simply making all the tablet funders happy. Hallelujah!
No. They are entirely dependent on the PR. Do you think Intex and others are not watching?
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Originally Posted by Dave999
Yup, they were making truly awesome profits off of their Phone, weren't they...
Well, we have bought anything they throwed at us.
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Originally Posted by Obsatcle-Man
Welcome to the madness.
I'm a new person in this thread.
I wouldn't be happy for them to fail and disappear.
But I would be happy for them to resolve it.
The biggest problem to my mind about why linux alternatives don't succeed is the fact it's too fractured. Everyone wants to back their own project. Contrast with the mass market which has settled on android/ios as good enough. (I lament for palm and blackberry, but this has turned into too big of a tangent so I'll end here..)
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A different Jolla, one that looked to the open-source community as its market rather than to the mass market, might give you what you're looking for. But it'd have to be a much smaller company with a much different view of how to use Sailfish...