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2008-03-09 , 16:03
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I suppose I'd be called a naive fool if I were to mention it's immoral to use someone's secured connection without their permission?
 
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2008-03-09 , 16:12
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true , if i cared about living a moral life i wouldnt bang married women
 
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2008-03-09 , 16:27
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Reporting offending posts instead of getting a battle going would be the better response.
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2008-03-09 , 17:22
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If you're posting this out of frustration due to those 20 WEP APs, then odds are you'd use it if you had it. I'd advise against it. It's getting too easy to get caught, and government authorities are getting more serious about penalizing people. Not worth it.
Question: Does US law allow users to access Open Access Points ? (ie coffees shops or -see photo- the Smithsonian Public Access Network from the Mall in DC? (I Skyped from this point to Yurop, which is now my coolest N800 story ).

I now realize that it is difficult for you Yankees (?) to answer questions like this, so perhaps I should add the statement Not To Ever Sue you on this.

Last Question: Should I be worried about the White VAN on the Photo ?

Ever Last: In Yurop Justice is perhaps more complex.

Breaking Codes (WEP or else ) is in principle not allowed, but Judges will only punish if any damage was caused. The last also applies to using open connections: You are allowed to use Open APs, (on terraces for example: Cafés install Routers for that purpose) However you are not allowed Wi-Fi-ing along with your neighbour (or your boss) to save your money. You will certainly be punished if you upload bad content using someone else's (router) IP.

Police will only act if complaints are filed. Police or Intelligence Services are not allowed to peep in on radio waves, unless for a specific purpose and authorised by a Government Commission and a Judge.

Young or innocent people (Yankees perhaps ...) will probably not be punished. Judges will expect everyone and in particular profesionals to act responsible and to install defensive hard- and software like encryption, code words etc. on their machines. So don’t blame the high school boy next door for hacking your passwords and publishing all your secret documents (or ‘special’ photos) on his School web.

.... I am not sure if anyone asked for all this but well ...

As Always, Have fun, Abel.
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Question: Does US law allow users to access Open Access Points ? (ie coffees shops or -see photo- the Smithsonian Public Access Network from the Mall in DC? (I Skyped from this point to Yurop, which is now my coolest N800 story ).
Yes, with a caveat: permission must be granted beforehand, explicit or implicit. Explicit permission is easy enough; implicit permission gets into a murky area not yet fully codified in US law. Thus the various judgments of various courts.

It's always best to be clear beforehand. Law officers are fond of stating "ignorance is no excuse".

EDIT: oh, and in the US "damage" has already been construed in some cases to include degradation of service performance...
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2008-03-10 , 01:32
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Remember that for many customers getting a clear picture of a security flaw is best achieved through demonstration.

Wanting to have a wep cracking platform is not a de facto indication of something untoward.
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2008-03-10 , 06:09
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Originally Posted by AbelMN View Post
Breaking Codes (WEP or else ) is in principle not allowed, but Judges will only punish if any damage was caused. The last also applies to using open connections: You are allowed to use Open APs, (on terraces for example: Cafés install Routers for that purpose) However you are not allowed Wi-Fi-ing along with your neighbour (or your boss) to save your money. You will certainly be punished if you upload bad content using someone else's (router) IP.
In Germany, the owner of the router will bear some legal responsibility if he/she does not use any protection. It's considered as "grober Fahrlässigkeit".

I am just stating jurisprudence here, not making any ethical comment.
 
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2008-03-12 , 18:36
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Here's my .02 worth.
I have to monitor the strength of our networks. It would be nice to use these security features on our tablets for our own networks.
We got rid of MS and MAC and Abode because they were constantly sending data back to their headquarters. God only knows what data they were viewing.
We've switch to Linux three years and couldn't be happier.
Whether someone misuses the apps or technology should not impede or punish others from using for legit and legal uses.
Other countries use that logic to restrict the internet, tv, movies, music etc... In a free society we have to balance technology and the freedom of individual as well as group rights to use that technology for our benefit. So please continue to distribute the technology. Dan
 
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2008-03-13 , 04:13
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Here's my .02 worth.
I have to monitor the strength of our networks. It would be nice to use these security features on our tablets for our own networks.
We got rid of MS and MAC and Abode because they were constantly sending data back to their headquarters. God only knows what data they were viewing.
We've switch to Linux three years and couldn't be happier.
Whether someone misuses the apps or technology should not impede or punish others from using for legit and legal uses.
Other countries use that logic to restrict the internet, tv, movies, music etc... In a free society we have to balance technology and the freedom of individual as well as group rights to use that technology for our benefit. So please continue to distribute the technology. Dan
I completely agree. I've often used tools that are restricted in some countries where I work and in my home to help in securing our networks and systems. Laws prohibiting or restricting applications like these would certainly hinder their use in positive ways. However, it would not do much at all to stop people from making and using the technology in bad ways.

That said, it would be very useful to have more security related tools available on mobile platforms like maemo.
 
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2008-04-17 , 20:03
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That said, it would be very useful to have more security related tools available on mobile platforms like maemo.
I wonder if there is something like openVPN being ported to the tablet. I don't know how helpful that is for securing transmissions over public unsecured Wi-FI but it's probably better than nothing. Anyone already discuss this elsewhere or is there a program for the N8x0 that secures our data.

FYI for anyone that doesn't already realize it, but WEP, WPA, PSK, hiding SSID or MAC filtering is all a waste of time. It's all hackable today and it only gives a false sense of security. The best we can do is to encrypt everything or start talking in pig latin to throw off hackers.
 
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