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2017-08-23
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Originally Posted by wicket
That's a shame, really and I'm really disappointed to hear it. But, honestly, do we have anything else, when it comes to modern devices?
The reason Mer uses old packages does not relate to the use of Android kernels and drivers but actually relates to tivoisation. There should be very few userland packages, if any at all, that are tied to a particular old kernel. Linus' number one rule for kernel development is "Don't break userspace," therefore old packages should be 100% ABI compatible with modern kernels.
Mer developers have previously stated that they chose to use out of date packages (which are unsupported upstream), as they are the last versions that are licensed under the GPL v2 which does not have the anti-tivoisation clauses introduced in the GPL v3. By keeping everything at GPL v2, it allows Mer to be marketed to many more vendors, those who have a problem with disclosing source code.
The truth of the matter is that Mer becomes useful when tivoisation is valued above stability and security. It's a sad state of affairs and is one of the main reasons I've struggled to warm to Sailfish.
pmOS targets the old ones
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2017-08-23
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#23
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Originally Posted by marmistrz
No, we don't have anything else but I don't think that's a valid excuse to embrace a broken solution. We're going over old ground here. I made this point (highlighted by theonelaw) in the Halium thread but the same applies to Mer/Sailfish.
That's a shame, really and I'm really disappointed to hear it. But, honestly, do we have anything else, when it comes to modern devices?
pmOS targets the old ones
I'm working on a multi-device successor to DebiaN900. It will be a distro/OS in its own right with multiple editions to cater for the needs of multiple audiences. It will have some similarities to postmarketOS but the focus will be entirely different. I'll share more details when I have something to demonstrate.
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DebiaN900 - Native Debian on the N900. Deprecated in favour of Maemo Leste.
Maemo Leste for N950 and N9 (currently broken).
Devuan for N950 and N9.
Mobile devices with mainline Linux support - Help needed with documentation.
"Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly." - Henry Spencer
Maemo Leste for N950 and N9 (currently broken).
Devuan for N950 and N9.
Mobile devices with mainline Linux support - Help needed with documentation.
"Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly." - Henry Spencer
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2017-08-23
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#24
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Very much looking forward to what you show us wicket....
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1/2 - neo900 pre- "purchased" in 2013. N̶o̶w̶ ̶A̶w̶a̶i̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶r̶e̶f̶u̶n̶d̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶c̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶l̶a̶s̶t̶ ̶f̶e̶w̶ ̶y̶e̶a̶r̶s̶ - neo900 start up declared officially dead -
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N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAYhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
242gb ON N800http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634
THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PROhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567
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Owner of :
1-n770 (in retirement), 3-n800's / 3-n810's (still in daily use), 5-n900's ((3 are flawless, 1 loose usb ( parts), 1 has no telephony (parts))
3-nexus 5's : 1 w/ Floko Pie 9.1 (running beautifully) waiting for Stable Droid 10 rom, 1 w/ ̶Ubuntu Touch, 1 with Maru OS (intend maemo leste when ready)
1/2 - neo900 pre- "purchased" in 2013. N̶o̶w̶ ̶A̶w̶a̶i̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶r̶e̶f̶u̶n̶d̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶c̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶l̶a̶s̶t̶ ̶f̶e̶w̶ ̶y̶e̶a̶r̶s̶ - neo900 start up declared officially dead -
Lost invested funds.
PIMP MY N8X0 (Idiot's Guide and a video walkthrough)http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94294
THE LOST GRONMAYER CATALOGShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ight=gronmayer
N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAYhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
242gb ON N800http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634
THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PROhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567
AFFORDABLE MASS PRODUCTION FOR MAEMO PARTShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93325
Meateo balloons now available @ Dave999's Meateo Emporium
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2017-08-24
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Originally Posted by marmistrz
That's a shame, really and I'm really disappointed to hear it. But, honestly, do we have anything else, when it comes to modern devices?
pmOS targets the old ones
As I explained to you in IRC/Matrix (assuming it was you based on the tone here), we are not explicitly targetting old devices. The only reason the current "supported devices" are older is because these are the only devices available to all of the PMOS developers. Some of us have newer devices (I have a Nexus 5X) but these are too valuable at the moment to use for development. I can't afford to have no phone while I work on my Nexus 5X for example.
If you have newer devices available, then we would totally help you get PMOS working on it.
Originally Posted by wicket
Good luck! The more distros targetting the N900, IMHO, the better!
I'm working on a multi-device successor to DebiaN900
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2017-11-01
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In light of Easy Debian dying due to glibc no longer supporting the old Maemo kernel, I just tried to run the basic Alpine armhf rootfs in a chroot under Maemo.
At first sight the chroot seemed to work fine so I assume that musl doesn't put the same restrictions on the kernel version like glibc.
In the process of that test I stumbled upon PostMarketOS, which according to Wikipedia is based on Alpine.
So I'm going to assume that PMOS should also run in a chroot on Maemo. This could enable us to keep the essential Maemo features (telephony, power saving) while benefiting from whatever PMOS has to offer (minus accelerated graphics).
Has anyone tried that or is planning to?
At first sight the chroot seemed to work fine so I assume that musl doesn't put the same restrictions on the kernel version like glibc.
In the process of that test I stumbled upon PostMarketOS, which according to Wikipedia is based on Alpine.
So I'm going to assume that PMOS should also run in a chroot on Maemo. This could enable us to keep the essential Maemo features (telephony, power saving) while benefiting from whatever PMOS has to offer (minus accelerated graphics).
Has anyone tried that or is planning to?
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2017-11-02
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Instead of just smacking the "thank you button" ...Like I was Simon Cowell...
I will respond as well.
If I had the time I would in a heartbeat...
At the moment I am trying to:
juggle a few projects (one being a new " 'mo " distro),
unpack my studio (finally) in the new place,
tend a puppy (who has allergies, and am trying the old "process of elimination" to discover the source of the allergen)
chainsaw , haul, chop and stack cords of firewood for the impending winter season on our doorstep
Since it may be a bit before I can devote the time for it..
those who do..
I would like to see some serious testing of pmos on the n900 and what their assessment is ..
a thorough simple walk through for the B.M.F.I. (Base Motor Function Impaired........since "dead" is politically incorrect nowadays... ) ..( ie; those who are dense, comatose, those with the brain functionality of a rutabaga on life support .......the Newmo's ...essentially ..all that fit in that category...)
If it does work fine...
and is a viable replacement for stock maemo.
then I would definitely install it and then continue to be able to use an n900 again as a daily. ..
(It has been a while since I felt the n900 with maemo on it ..or any other os on it...could even be considered as an alternate for daily ...or a daily ...(in the sense I trust it to function and not fail ..including in the areas ...most importantly ..of ..telephony and browsing )
Last edited by endsormeans; 2017-11-02 at 07:25.
I will respond as well.
If I had the time I would in a heartbeat...
At the moment I am trying to:
juggle a few projects (one being a new " 'mo " distro),
unpack my studio (finally) in the new place,
tend a puppy (who has allergies, and am trying the old "process of elimination" to discover the source of the allergen)
chainsaw , haul, chop and stack cords of firewood for the impending winter season on our doorstep
Since it may be a bit before I can devote the time for it..
those who do..
I would like to see some serious testing of pmos on the n900 and what their assessment is ..
a thorough simple walk through for the B.M.F.I. (Base Motor Function Impaired........since "dead" is politically incorrect nowadays... ) ..( ie; those who are dense, comatose, those with the brain functionality of a rutabaga on life support .......the Newmo's ...essentially ..all that fit in that category...)
If it does work fine...
and is a viable replacement for stock maemo.
then I would definitely install it and then continue to be able to use an n900 again as a daily. ..
(It has been a while since I felt the n900 with maemo on it ..or any other os on it...could even be considered as an alternate for daily ...or a daily ...(in the sense I trust it to function and not fail ..including in the areas ...most importantly ..of ..telephony and browsing )
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1-n770 (in retirement), 3-n800's / 3-n810's (still in daily use), 5-n900's ((3 are flawless, 1 loose usb ( parts), 1 has no telephony (parts))
3-nexus 5's : 1 w/ Floko Pie 9.1 (running beautifully) waiting for Stable Droid 10 rom, 1 w/ ̶Ubuntu Touch, 1 with Maru OS (intend maemo leste when ready)
1/2 - neo900 pre- "purchased" in 2013. N̶o̶w̶ ̶A̶w̶a̶i̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶r̶e̶f̶u̶n̶d̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶c̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶l̶a̶s̶t̶ ̶f̶e̶w̶ ̶y̶e̶a̶r̶s̶ - neo900 start up declared officially dead -
Lost invested funds.
PIMP MY N8X0 (Idiot's Guide and a video walkthrough)http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94294
THE LOST GRONMAYER CATALOGShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ight=gronmayer
N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAYhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
242gb ON N800http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634
THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PROhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567
AFFORDABLE MASS PRODUCTION FOR MAEMO PARTShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93325
Meateo balloons now available @ Dave999's Meateo Emporium
Lurker since 2007, Member since 2013, Certifiable since 1972
Owner of :
1-n770 (in retirement), 3-n800's / 3-n810's (still in daily use), 5-n900's ((3 are flawless, 1 loose usb ( parts), 1 has no telephony (parts))
3-nexus 5's : 1 w/ Floko Pie 9.1 (running beautifully) waiting for Stable Droid 10 rom, 1 w/ ̶Ubuntu Touch, 1 with Maru OS (intend maemo leste when ready)
1/2 - neo900 pre- "purchased" in 2013. N̶o̶w̶ ̶A̶w̶a̶i̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶r̶e̶f̶u̶n̶d̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶c̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶l̶a̶s̶t̶ ̶f̶e̶w̶ ̶y̶e̶a̶r̶s̶ - neo900 start up declared officially dead -
Lost invested funds.
PIMP MY N8X0 (Idiot's Guide and a video walkthrough)http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94294
THE LOST GRONMAYER CATALOGShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ight=gronmayer
N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAYhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
242gb ON N800http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634
THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PROhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567
AFFORDABLE MASS PRODUCTION FOR MAEMO PARTShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93325
Meateo balloons now available @ Dave999's Meateo Emporium
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others not....
telephony isn't one of them.
Hell my understanding of "telephony" up until 10 years ago was zero...
and my current is about as limited as ... well...extrapolating from the term...telephony...
I know it ain't about ..
"phony telephones"
Other areas I am more savvy.
But I am sure there are scads of people here who are far more able than myself...
otherwise I would happily offer what meaningless help (by compare .)..I could offer...
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Owner of :
1-n770 (in retirement), 3-n800's / 3-n810's (still in daily use), 5-n900's ((3 are flawless, 1 loose usb ( parts), 1 has no telephony (parts))
3-nexus 5's : 1 w/ Floko Pie 9.1 (running beautifully) waiting for Stable Droid 10 rom, 1 w/ ̶Ubuntu Touch, 1 with Maru OS (intend maemo leste when ready)
1/2 - neo900 pre- "purchased" in 2013. N̶o̶w̶ ̶A̶w̶a̶i̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶r̶e̶f̶u̶n̶d̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶c̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶l̶a̶s̶t̶ ̶f̶e̶w̶ ̶y̶e̶a̶r̶s̶ - neo900 start up declared officially dead -
Lost invested funds.
PIMP MY N8X0 (Idiot's Guide and a video walkthrough)http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94294
THE LOST GRONMAYER CATALOGShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ight=gronmayer
N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAYhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
242gb ON N800http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634
THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PROhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567
AFFORDABLE MASS PRODUCTION FOR MAEMO PARTShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93325
Meateo balloons now available @ Dave999's Meateo Emporium