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2018-04-16 , 13:08
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Not only harsh, but also poorly written. The last paragraph does not make any sense at all. "In a soup to the base"? "Dealers managed to sell at least smartphone"? WTF?
"The Siver Telegram is world newspaper."

Well, that makes it clear. All of those names listed sure seem legit to me! And that lone comment at the bottom must be some anti-Russian propaganda. For sure.

Edit: oh no, how did I miss the article being posted in the category 'Techno'! Unce unce unce unce...
 

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2018-04-16 , 16:06
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Originally Posted by lantern View Post
Sometimes I wonder who's better at brainwashing - "free" western world or poor failing totalitarian states.
There's a different flair to either approach. One is a flowery, yet heavy-handed approach that hides behind words like democracy, freedom and all of those PR based illusionary words that sound great but are not exactly fulfilling. The other is a ham-fisted, yet inclusive staccato speech filled with "us", "our", "we" which we've all come to know means "not us", "mine" and "us on top, not you on the bottom".

I won't feign apathy at these revelations or announcements. It concerns me quite a bit that my last "option" is quickly becoming something else rather quickly.
 

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2018-04-16 , 16:34
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Regarding brainwashing... My other half and I grew up in different countries but both in the Soviet bloc and are both familiar with the commie propaganda about the rotten West, exploitation of fellow human beings and the like, and how the Socialism is the workers' nirvana.

Now we live in the sunny Western country and guess what? We have concluded that everything the commies told us about the West was true. Only the things they told us about themselves were not
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Now we live in the sunny Western country and guess what? We have concluded that everything the commies told us about the West was true. Only the things they told us about themselves were not
Would you ever go back?
 

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2018-04-16 , 17:18
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Ya @pichlo & @gerbick that's the truth indeed.

It really makes only marginal difference where one lives; if you happen to be in the top 1% you are extremely well off and if you are in the bottom 1% your life is absolute misery.

Only the amount and wellbeing of the middle masses differs a bit from one system to to another. That's the way it has always been I'm afraid
(however as an optimist I dont think it has to be that way forever)
 

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this thread has lost the path to...to the truth behind this potential scam.

East, South, north or west, wait...west rhymes with best, who cares?,

What we need to know who is actually running jolla.
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Would you ever go back?
Go back where?

To the country of my origin? In an instant. But my other half refuses: she is from another country and has no ties with mine. I would not mind moving to hers but she does not want to.

To the Socialist times? No way! The Western system is far from perfect but still much better than anything Socialism can provide.
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2018-04-16 , 19:41
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Freedom is the power of choice, right?
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Freedom is the power of choice, right?
That's not what my Marxism-Leninism teachers told me. They said that freedom is the recognition of necessity. I kinda agree with that. As I do with another quote, completely different, politics is the art of the possible. It is amazing how many people do not understand that.
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That's not what my Marxism-Leninism teachers told me. They said that freedom is the recognition of necessity. I kinda agree with that. As I do with another quote, completely different, politics is the art of the possible. It is amazing how many people do not understand that.
But to recognize necessity, you need to make choices, right?
I mean; freedom is smaller than necessity, in that it needs to be born from "within", whereas necessity is something that comes from outside. Freedom is born inside the necessity.

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