Originally Posted by Merienth

... oh how refreshing to read through 3 pages of posts where 2 frogs and an endsor speculates about speculation... ;-)

Originally Posted by Kabouik

Oh, I didn't know about that example. I am convinced that for the space it takes, I would be worth it. Having a cursor on a landscape phone with a qwerty keyboard is in my opinion a must, and the Gemini weaknesses demonstrate it.

If the Livermorium is capable of running Debian or other desktop OSes, then it would be a huge pro to be capable of using them without a big finger on the screen all the time (this never works on OSes that are not made for it, and it's not comfortable either), an inaccurate capacitive stylus, and without plugging a mouse. We would be able to use these OSes on the go. And even if it doesn't run these OSes, then it should still be able to run Teamviewer/Nomachine/VNC/Parsec/Shadow, and therefore a mouse would be needed too.

Originally Posted by Dave999

Who is the other frog? You?

Unfortunately speculation is the only thing we can do until chen decides to release the prototype images and/or release date.

Waiting for your mighty input to this thread. More quality contribution needed.

Originally Posted by Dave999

Do you know if Chen trying to design a pocket Computer or a smartphone with qwerty? Or just trying to achive a topnotch slider/QWERTY experience?

Originally Posted by Kabouik

As far as I know, he definitely aims at offering a smarthphone with hwkb, not a pocket computer. For instance, the keyboard should be made for thumb typing, as opposed to the Gemini's, and the slider is also more convenient for handheld use than the clamshell on the Gemini. Nonetheless, I am sure a hwkb smartphone with cursor control (or accurate stylus like the N900) could perform better as a mini computer than the Gemini. At least on the move, since I don't know if the Livermorium will have video-out.

Don't get me wrong, I love the Gemini and would probably buy one if there was no Livermorium project in the picture, but the clamshell makes it a PDA (or computer when booting Debian) and uncomfortable phone, whereas the lack of accurate cursor control makes it uncomfortable for PDA/computer use. In the end, it could be unconfortable in both cases. The Livermorium could use that to bring together the best of both usecases with slider + trackpad, and better compete.

We don't know if it will be as interesting as the Gemini for multibooting, I hope it will. But even if it does not, as long as I have 4G, I can stream with no latency (Parsec, Shadow) a remote computer and therefore make it a PDA/computer. And it's great, except for the immense frustration of having to use a touchscreen with big fingers missclicking and hiding what I want to ckick. Plus, in case of a hwkb phone, the screen is further from the fingers, I remember fron the Jolla + Tohkbd that moving the hands all the time to touch the screen was getting old.

Originally Posted by Merienth

Don´t take my comment as an offense. Oddly enough I really do like to read throuh such comments... this is how I like talk.maemo

And for the 2nd frog: Fellfrosch in german roughly means Peltfrog or Furfrog in english.

Originally Posted by Dave999

To me going for a smartphone [...] exlude a cursor mover or atleast adding it somewhere in the bottom of requirement list.

Originally Posted by pichlo

This is where we disagree. The lack of ability to position the cursor precisely is IMO the main drawback of all current "smart" phones.

Originally Posted by Dave999

To me going for a smartphone as you said, and not a pocket computer, exlude a cursor mover or atleast adding it somewhere in the bottom of requirement list. Just ahead of built in solar charger. Smartphone must have plenty of features that is more important to solve and work extremely well together with selcted OS. Better to focus power and brain cells here if this shall play well in the real world.