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Originally Posted by endsormeans View Post
yup mscion, I live on an island , off a bigger island, that is off the continent,
I can commiserate with pichlo, but the difference between the two is millennia of habitation versus a century and a half out here...
Here, the greatest differences between us islanders on the west coast and the continental mainland is this.
The indigenous natives believed for a VERY long time that the islands here were the rungs of the ladder of heaven.
They treated the largest island (Vancouver Island) as their place of the dead. And their souls walked up the rungs of the islands towards their afterlife.
And they are correct.
On the continent ...(unless one lives up north of the cities...then one understands how the pace of life and doing moves seasonally...such as winter ...virtually everything shuts down ...so life moves according to the seasons...) MOST of humanity never stops. never slows.
The moment one reaches Vancouver Island, it is like in sci-fi films when one sees time dilation slow down, The impact on the body and mind can be felt ...directly....here.
And once one leaves Vancouver Island for the smaller islands ...like mine...that time dilation again slows one down even further...
Going further north and further from Vancouver Island to the other islands it becomes even more pronounced.
Some here in a pat way...call it "Island Time" or "Rural Time" on the continent.
Continentals think we are "this" or "that" or not prompt or not sharp or whathaveyou ...
But it isn't about any of those projected ideas of others...
Once they get here and experience it ...then they begin to understand.
We live at the mercy of the weather and waves, ferries sail or do not accordingly, one cannot say one "will" be on time, since it is out of one's hands to control.
So when folks here say they will come over shortly, it could be anytime they come, in a few minutes, hours or days.
The mad agenda of promptness on the mainland has zero effect or place here.
So one finds that rapidly ..it is a human pace that one is really adapting to out here.

The other difference between my islands and continental mainland is that there are LOTS more people on the continent ...putting a massive strain on their services, social, medical, etc.
Here our services are more timely and available and there is far less strain on our infra.

As far as other languages and peoples and such....even on the radio...there has always been a mandate for diversity ..so we hear lots of different languages ...


And lastly ...yes pichlo...
I believe in customs and age old traditions ..the beauty of the diversity of culture is important and critical....
as long as they do not impact and stunt the ability to provide essentials ...

.the mentality of superiority or special-ness which is meant to elevate above others, and the inability to change when it is wise and prudent to do so for survivals sake...
will in the end be the Achilles Heel of Britain which will bring her very low.
I do hope in the end such superiority issues end up being replaced with gentle humility and grace.
Any mountains on the island? If we could restore dinosaurs would it be perfect place?. Is it like Jurassic park? Or do you have another island in mind. Maybe somewhere in malaysia?
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#6532
any mountains on the island?

The entire coast here is mountainous...
the Rockies are here.
the Rocky Mountain range takes up almost all of British Columbia.
Vancouver Island is no different.

Rewatch some scifi Dave...
For example...Star Wars...on the planet of the ewoks...with the giant trees....
Those trees are ours...
The filming was done just a few 100 km from where I go to work in Vancouver Island.
Many films have been done here...and series too...

The whole Island is mountainous...
Check some topos Dave
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#6533
Originally Posted by endsormeans View Post
any mountains on the island?

The entire coast here is mountainous...
the Rockies are here.
the Rocky Mountain range takes up almost all of British Columbia.
Vancouver Island is no different.

Rewatch some scifi Dave...
For example...Star Wars...on the planet of the ewoks...with the giant trees....
Those trees are ours...
The filming was done just a few 100 km from where I go to work in Vancouver Island.
Many films have been done here...and series too...

The whole Island is mountainous...
Check some topos Dave
Sounds good. Now we only need that tech. Would Canada give up the island to get one of the kind amusement park? Who owns the land?

Would you for the right price?

We might need dinosaurs if poeple must continue to eat the same amount of meat as today.

Or...

Do have to cut back on that meat from today until end of days.

You guys can be a passenger on this one. But planning to leave the meat behind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut-qCX7nQuc
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Righttttt...

Give up paradise ...sell it off...at whatever price ....for any kind of amusement park...
Right.

Right..
Give up our homes and lives and be relocated to the deliberately constructed and maintained nightmare of how things are elsewhere?
Of course everyone here will do it Dave.

Or to enable the rest of the planet to have enough plentiful food to last our species ...
at the risk of the containment of the dinosaurs naturally being compromised...and a plague of dinosaurs spreading across the 20 km of water to the continent and all lesser islands within reach...
Sure...

I would imagine everyone here will agree with your suggestion Dave.


Once such genetic material is brought back...
all the horror of its time here comes back with it Dave...
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#6535
Originally Posted by endsormeans View Post
Righttttt...

Give up paradise ...sell it off...at whatever price ....for any kind of amusement park...
Right.

Right..
Give up our homes and lives and be relocated to the deliberately constructed and maintained nightmare of how things are elsewhere?
Of course everyone here will do it Dave.

Or to enable the rest of the planet to have enough plentiful food to last our species ...
at the risk of the containment of the dinosaurs naturally being compromised...and a plague of dinosaurs spreading across the 20 km of water to the continent and all lesser islands within reach...
Sure...

I would imagine everyone here will agree with your suggestion Dave.


Once such genetic material is brought back...
all the horror of its time here comes back with it Dave...
No need to hurry. I guess we are at least 100 years away from building a heavy dinosaur. But eventually yeah we all have to relocate. My take on this is to have several homes.
But in the end it will be like nature solve all conflicts, by force. If the dinosaurs will join the war or not is impossible to say.

But relocation. Humans of the future have to get use to that.
Today is mostly forcing takeovers with money. But eventually it won’t be enough.

Usually mankind just want a calm and peaceful home to make a living. Living their lives. But I think unfortunately we have in our DNA to have bigger and bigger and more. This goes for countries as well where they would invade a neighboring countries today without interference by “some other countries”. Same goes for homes too. First with money and then...with dinosaurs.
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We might need dinosaurs if poeple must continue to eat the same amount of meat as today.
An interesting point. Gram for gram of meat, is it more efficient to raise one large animal or let's say a hundred small ones? Are 100 chickens cheaper to raise than one cow or vice versa? And which one is less harmful to the environment?
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Originally Posted by pichlo View Post
An interesting point. Gram for gram of meat, is it more efficient to raise one large animal or let's say a hundred small ones? Are 100 chickens cheaper to raise than one cow or vice versa? And which one is less harmful to the environment?
Valid point!
I guess it depends.
We might not need the dinosaurs.
Endormeans island might be saved after all. Atleast for another 200 years...

There are two things you don’t want to see how it’s made. Dinosaur sausages and Laws!
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actually here in Canada we study and research this to death.

Hell...I gre up on a farm....understanding the ratio of the amount of kj (kilojoules) of total consumed energy vs the inevitable output of available energy as end product .

Ie : meat and milk.

The amount of kj of consumed resources by say a cow...to nurture it from infancy to maturity and the resultant meat it finally produces upon slaughter and process is vastly inefficient.
The same to nurture a milk producing cow from infancy to maturity...
the amount of output of kj of energy resource by the milking cow cannot ever pass the amount of energy it consumes on a daily basis.
It is a net loss...for the entire life of the milking cow.

Same with pigs...the amount of time and kj of resources to feed it to bring it to maturity and ready for slaughter is likewise, though it is not as pronounced a loss .

There are exceptions to this rule of kj consumed vs final kj output harvested.

Due to the minuscule (in compare to bovine and porcine) amount of consumption and due to the rapid maturity OF the great great great great great ~ nthn grandchildren OF the Tyrannosaurus...the humble chicken and turkey...
Chickens, Turkeys and their like...are more efficient.

As far as heavier meat animals, goats are pretty good...but consume more than chickens or turkeys...

Sheep consume more and put out less end product kj of meat.

But cows and pigs are the worst.

Smaller stock animals that have a short maturity time, that consume less, can put out decent return for the energy they consume.

It is just the law of energy return.

Dinosaurs are no different than say our elephants of today...
They consume a lot and in the end, the kj of energy return in meat compared to kj of energy in resources consumed always outweighs ...

What you want Dave ...to solve the food crisis our planet is now going through ....and will only get worse...btw...
is not dinosaurs...
But Mammoth sized chickens...
I don't think it wise though.
Even at their slight stature...have you ever seen a chicken size you up?
Look at you like it was wondering just how you would taste if say...you had a stroke and fell in the chicken coop and couldn't move?
[shudder]
I have seen that look every morning for many years...and it still gives me the willies sometimes...
Even though I have always become quite fond of my egg laying ladies...

But giant chickens would certainly....well ...hopefully...attain maturity rapidly and still output more kj of meat or eggs than kj or resources it consumes over its life...
As long as somehow the metabolic rate of growth is not slowed.

Here is a theoretical of what life would be like with giant food sources....feeding the planet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfrShu_Lp2A

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#6539
I don’t want to solve anything really. Just want to constantly improve and postpone judgement day!

It’s will get worse no matter what and if we discuss it we might make wiser decisions. But in the end it doesn’t mattar.

Imagine when poeple discussed the future 100 years ago 1919. I guess it was all about work!

Now 100 years...we know so much more but at the same time much less.
So in 100 years we will know much more about food, energy and hopefully peace but we don’t know how a chicken looks like, a rabbit or goat looks like. We are eating more pills and fruits and less food of today.

So food will be solved. I’m sure of it.

Now we need clean energy.
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really?
well...I guess some only see these animals in the grocer all cut up and wrapped neatly in cellophane...
But I have lived with them my whole life....chickens, turkeys, ducks, geese, goats and cows...
They become individuals, take on very human traits the more time they spend around us...gain more "individual soul" and less "herd or collective soul" ...
they become family...
It has always been a hard thing eating ones family though...
at least for me...
Laying hens for eggs , rather than roaster hens for killing ...
duck eggs, goose eggs, and goats milk are all I am in it for from my "extended family"
I let them live long healthy lives past their useful output...
and when they die naturally ...well ...if they have enough good meat on them...then...I honour them by making of them a good dinner ...
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