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ravi is offline ravi
2006-08-09 , 06:29
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I have a 770 and love it to bits however, I'd really like to learn Linux from the ground up. As I dont have anything else with which I can experement, can I do this on my 770?
I looked at the 'Idiots guide to Linux' type books but there are so many variants(KDE, Ubuntu etc.) and I'm not sure which one would even be relevant and apply to the 770.

I also think I need some sort of Command Line program. Is there one available for 2006?

Please can anyone point me in the right direction - I'd really like to get started but I'm totally bewildered by the choices!

Many thanks
Ravi
 
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Karel Jansens is offline Karel Jansens
2006-08-09 , 06:56
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Originally Posted by ravi
I have a 770 and love it to bits however, I'd really like to learn Linux from the ground up. As I dont have anything else with which I can experement, can I do this on my 770?
I looked at the 'Idiots guide to Linux' type books but there are so many variants(KDE, Ubuntu etc.) and I'm not sure which one would even be relevant and apply to the 770.

I also think I need some sort of Command Line program. Is there one available for 2006?

Please can anyone point me in the right direction - I'd really like to get started but I'm totally bewildered by the choices!

Many thanks
Ravi
The book I started with was "Linux in a Nutshell" (from O'Reilly). It's not the kind of book that tells you how to click a mouse in Linux, but it helped me understand the Linux philosophy and gave a thorough overview and explanation of Linux shells and commands.

The other book that helped me tremendously was the manual that came with S.u.S.E. 5.3 (they still had the dots in their name back then). I imagine the latter might not be easy to find these days.
 
jurop88 is offline jurop88
2006-08-09 , 06:58
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The version installed on N770 is derived from debian. If you start experimenting, yuo need osso-xterm to work with the CLI. Only packages that you can install - hower - are those specifically compiled for 770 you will find on repositories. Have a loot at maemo wiki (start from www.maemo.org) to dig more in.
 

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2006-08-09 , 07:15
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Originally Posted by ravi
I have a 770 and love it to bits however, I'd really like to learn Linux from the ground up. As I dont have anything else with which I can experement, can I do this on my 770?
I looked at the 'Idiots guide to Linux' type books but there are so many variants(KDE, Ubuntu etc.) and I'm not sure which one would even be relevant and apply to the 770.

I also think I need some sort of Command Line program. Is there one available for 2006?
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You should be able to install xterm (command line program) from either here:
http://770.fs-security.com/xterm/fil...0.13_armel.deb

Or by adding a new repository to application installer.
Repository: http://repository.maemo.org/
Distribution: mistral
Component: free

But if you want to learn more linux, I suggest either installing ubuntu on your computer besides your xp / other windows or installing vmware and installing / running ubuntu in that.
 
janjansenbe is offline janjansenbe
2006-08-12 , 12:34
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Hi,

In fact am a already a Debian & Ubuntu Linux user, however I start also using the Nokia 770 to learn (again) more about the Linux shell, bash scripting and so on, ...

What you need at least :

- xterm (see previous postings)
- the bash-m package (see ApplicationCatalog2006) called Bash
- probably you also need the ability to become root user (see Maemo Wiki, at http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot2)
- a good Linux book explaining Linux in general, the command line (CLI), bash scripting, etc, ... as mentioned already above, there are a number of good books, take any Linux starter guide which explains a lot about the command line, the shell, ... (you don't need the explanations about KDE, GNOME, etc ).

Good luck !

Cheers, Jan
 
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Odin is offline Odin
2006-08-13 , 03:31
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Originally Posted by ravi
I have a 770 and love it to bits however, I'd really like to learn Linux from the ground up. <snip> Please can anyone point me in the right direction - I'd really like to get started but I'm totally bewildered by the choices!

Many thanks
Ravi
I learned Unix in grad school back in 1985. Over the years, I used Macs and was delighted when Apple went Unix with OS X--but what has happened to Unix over the years (no, I won't say "Linux") is the reason that you have issues. Much of the new complexity has to do with graphical systems and display advancements, mice, etc.. I would recommend that you get a good solid textbook that discusses Minux, which is just a very small Unix system that has all the necessary elements. Many CS departments use it as a teaching tool.
 
janjansenbe is offline janjansenbe
2006-08-13 , 06:29
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Originally Posted by Odin
.. I would recommend that you get a good solid textbook that discusses Minux, which is just a very small Unix system that has all the necessary elements. Many CS departments use it as a teaching tool.
Do you know if there is an online version (pdf, txt) available somewhere on the internet about the book you mentioned ?

Cheers, Jan
 
janjansenbe is offline janjansenbe
2006-08-13 , 06:48
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I assume you mean 'Minix' iso 'Minux'.

Seems they recently have started 'Minix' development again, together with the publication of an important book : Operating Systems Design and Implementation, 3/E (2006 edition).

Ref. http://vig.prenhall.com/catalog/acad...429388,00.html

Cheers, Jan
 
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Odin is offline Odin
2006-08-14 , 02:40
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Originally Posted by janjansenbe
I assume you mean 'Minix' iso 'Minux'.

Seems they recently have started 'Minix' development again, together with the publication of an important book : Operating Systems Design and Implementation, 3/E (2006 edition).

Ref. http://vig.prenhall.com/catalog/acad...429388,00.html

Cheers, Jan
Actually, they never stopped. I imagine the 1st edition goes back six or more years. Thanks for finding that for Ravi.
 
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Hedgecore is offline Hedgecore
2006-08-14 , 13:41
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When you say you don't have anything else to experiment on, I assume you still have a laptop/PC? If so, you can download one of the 'live' versions of Linux such as Ubuntu, or Knoppix. Simply dump the CD in, they'll boot up just as if they were on the harddrive, and the other data on your computer's safe. Great for screwing around with when you don't want to completely hash your system.

(During my days with Slack in the mid 90's I must have toasted about 5 installs trying to get UMSDOS to play nice)

(And one other thing I still think is cute is how someone says they're a total newbie and all the replies are laced with tech stuff they're sure to not know)
 
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