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	johnkzin	2008-08-14 , 03:02
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Originally Posted by danramos

Do not want.

It's better as an add-on. I pointed out that it'd be really neat to have a geek port/slot.. in another thread I'd mentioned maybe a PCIe connector for micro devices in an expansion port? That would probably be the best thing. My old Handsprings and my Palm Tungsten T5 had a built-in IR... I never used it for anything except on the extremely rare occasion of printing to my IR enabled printer. IR ports are very slow for data and to make the signal bright enough for using as a remote controller, you'd use a lot of battery life--this is why you needed an add-on on the Palm computers to do that. I could see myself using an IR port--but I could want to use something else more.

Yup. There's a reason mobile devices that do have IR ports still tend to not be usable as IR remote controls. It's not that you can put the signal into them, it's that the power available to the emitter isn't enough to be useful for that. And, really, that's how it should be. I expect that the impact on the design of the NIT, or any other mobile, to add this would be pretty prohibitive.

I think it makes more sense to ask someone to build a wifi-to-IR gateway device, where you could send signals to the gateway via wifi, and then that device would have a remote-control-quality IR emitter for sending signals to your devices. You could then position that somewhere in your livingroom that was useful.

What might be nice, though, is a typical data exchanging IR emitter/receiver on the NIT. The kind you get on an E61/E61i/E62/E71, so that you could do data synchronization through it with other Nokia devices (not just other NITs). But I doubt we'll see that. And don't say "that's what bluetooth is for". Bluetooth has some issues that make it not a total replacement for IR data syncing.

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	danramos	2008-08-14 , 04:56
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Originally Posted by johnkzin

What might be nice, though, is a typical data exchanging IR emitter/receiver on the NIT. The kind you get on an E61/E61i/E62/E71, so that you could do data synchronization through it with other Nokia devices (not just other NITs). But I doubt we'll see that. And don't say "that's what bluetooth is for". Bluetooth has some issues that make it not a total replacement for IR data syncing.

But Bluetooth is radio--not line-of-site and so much more convenient to work with. It's faster--oh GOD.. MUCH faster than IR. BT just seems like a much better alternative to using IR.

Can you tell me why? Just really confused. :P

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TA-t3	2008-08-14 , 11:31
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In my opinion and experience bluetooth is way better for data transfer between devices than IR can ever be. But IR is the only option if you want to remote control your TV set

(which my Palm T3 does completely fine btw).

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	Khertan	2008-08-14 , 12:38
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A microwave emmiter we ll really be usefull, we don't need a 1000W power ... just enough to maintain a coffee at right temperature.

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	timsamoff	2008-08-14 , 12:50
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I hope they make the N900 bigger, so that a slot thick enough to fit a Poptart could be added to the side. I'd also like some sort of powerful laser or death-ray function -- which would be useful in many situations (of course, if they made the microwave strong enough, that might work too).

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	johnkzin	2008-08-14 , 13:48
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Originally Posted by danramos

But Bluetooth is radio--not line-of-site and so much more convenient to work with.

And so much less secure. Which is often the case with "so much more convenient" -- convenience and security are often mutually exclusive trades.

And, related to that, sensitive work places don't typically ban IR use in the facility ... but they very well may ban bluetooth use.

TA-t3: last I looked at the Palm series, in order to use their IR directly as a remote control, you had to keep it within a few feet of the TV/VCR/etc. because the strength was so low. If you wanted to use it more like a regular remote, you had to put a big attachment on it. Is the T3 a special case or something?

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TA-t3	2008-08-14 , 15:57
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I don't know if the T3 is special in any way, but I can use my T3 just fine from the same distance as the regular remote control, the only difference is that I have to be a little bit more accurate when pointing the T3. 5 meters (~15 feet approx.) works fine, if I just point it the right way. I'ved tested with Panasonic TVs by the way (it works equally fine with other people's Panasonics.. to their amazement)

I also know that Palm owners have been using their PDAs to switch off annoying TVs in pubs and the like.. so it's got to work over that distance as well.

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	tso	2008-08-14 , 18:07
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Originally Posted by danramos

But Bluetooth is radio--not line-of-site and so much more convenient to work with. It's faster--oh GOD.. MUCH faster than IR. BT just seems like a much better alternative to using IR.

Can you tell me why? Just really confused. :P

i recall reading recently about a demo of a high speed IR connection. ill see if i can dig up the article.

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	tso	2008-08-14 , 18:08
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Originally Posted by johnkzin

And so much less secure. Which is often the case with "so much more convenient" -- convenience and security are often mutually exclusive trades.

And, related to that, sensitive work places don't typically ban IR use in the facility ... but they very well may ban bluetooth use.

yep, omni-directional radio is a ***** in that respect.

still, one could cover a building in a Faraday cage

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	danramos	2008-08-14 , 18:17
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Originally Posted by timsamoff

I hope they make the N900 bigger, so that a slot thick enough to fit a Poptart could be added to the side. I'd also like some sort of powerful laser or death-ray function -- which would be useful in many situations (of course, if they made the microwave strong enough, that might work too).

While we're at it, why can't it use TARDIS Time Lord technology to fit more tech inside the case and maybe a little quantum mechanical black hole time warping to provide processed data before actually doing the heavy processing? It'd be GREAT if we could have a MUCH faster video framerate by grabbing fully rendered frames from a few milliseconds at a time into the future and then the warping can catch up during idle or charging times.

I should see if I can patent that, eh? :P