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2008-09-10 , 14:35
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Originally Posted by brontide View Post
The problem with the voting rules is that they were designed to preclude those who did not meet the definition from becoming eligible to vote.
Correct.

With so many avenues open to work in/with the "(Maemo|maemo.org|ITOS) community" and no set of voting rules set out far enough in advance for others to "sign up on the electoral role" as you would say. This precluded, maybe more than a handful, of people who are active participants from voting.
I'd guess you are right. Pragmatically, though, do those people have opinions and requirements which are substantially different from those who are participating?

This is not government: this is primarily to streamline and focus communications between "us" and Nokia. Does it actually matter if someone is unable to vote, if the statistical representation is there?

I also don't think that we as candidates are that different in this election: it's more important that whoever is eligible does vote (assuming they agree with our broad platforms and opinions) - this'll make anything the council says as representatives of the community more authoritative. Turnout is more important than the results (and with apparently over 800 votes, I'm pleasantly surprised).

Like, for instance, the mysteriously vanishing 25 karma points needed to vote?
Hardly mysterious. There was always going to be complaining about the process once the process was put into place, despite all the opportunities and invitations for debate before hand.

I agree with GeneralAntilles though, getting 25 karma points isn't hard if you're active in the community; especially once ITT integration is completed and would argue for that rule to still stand in the second election.

You went from 250 voters when voting was first setup, to 450 voters that appeared to be the consensus on the list, to 12288 voters when it actually got created and wonder why those people, active enough to care are annoyed when they can't vote?
Over 12,000 people were eligible to vote in this election. What's your argument? That anyone who wanted to, and had an email address, should be able to vote?

The council's primary constituents are people with maemo.org accounts, all this fuss from people without them may be misunderstanding exactly what the council will be able to do. This is not a council which will be determining the direction of the Maemo platform.

You had to start somewhere, but don't pass this off as something *everyone* should have just known about since the rules were in flux right up until the voter list was created.
I wasn't aware that I did do that.
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I don't really have any idea how I would go about to get 25 karma points. I'm in the single digit range at the moment. I'm happy enough with the fact that I was allowed to vote, I even think I'm qualified to vote (the impudence!).

Anyway, this is the first round, you have to start somewhere. The next round won't be in the next century or anything, things can be improved on for round two.
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#53
Originally Posted by Jaffa
Does it actually matter if someone is unable to vote, if the statistical representation is there?
If this is the objective, why bother with masquerading it as a democratic process? Why not just appoint somebody (or somebodies) and then tell everyone that they're statistically represented.

There are more than a few small countries that have done this on a national basis (some even use the word 'democratic' in their name!) and tell their constituents that they are "represented".
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If this is the objective, why bother with masquerading it as a democratic process? Why not just appoint somebody (or somebodies) and then tell everyone that they're statistically represented.
His point was more that the few active people shut out will be statistically represented in the other 12k voters. That's assuming that more than 1% of those voters actually vote.
 
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His point was more that the few active people shut out will be statistically represented in the other 12k voters. That's assuming that more than 1% of those voters actually vote.
I wonder if they will release how many people voted?
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I wonder if they will release how many people voted?
So far 880 I guess... so maybe closer to 7%.

dneary: I just checked the number of people who've voted, it's around 880
 
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Hey, just thank God that Diebold isn't involved in vote tabulation! (that might be an inside joke for those outside the US, sorry)

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2008-09-10 , 17:34
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Texrat --

I live in Florida. I should be used to this treatment, by now.
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Thanks for telling us briand.

The system has been updated so that your vote no longer counts.

Have a nice day.
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Hey, just thank God that Diebold isn't involved in vote tabulation! (that might be an inside joke for those outside the US, sorry)

Hehe.

Diebold and blackbox voting in USA has been in news all over the world, and in other countries in the world there are also NGOs combating those blackboxes (NL, DE). It isn't a US-only problem.
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