Originally Posted by Benson

Why would MIDs go this route, but not tablets? We've got (IMO, though I don't have benchmarks) better performance/power in the tablets, and if they get used with external monitor and keyboard, the larger size of MIDs becomes entirely a disadvantage. They seem to be better positioned to take this route to dominance...

Originally Posted by allnameswereout

Does Pandora fund open source developers?

Originally Posted by allnameswereout

The quote you're replying to is taken out of its context.

Originally Posted by danramos

I'm not sure how out of context it could have been. I quoted an entire paragraph of the statement but maybe I missed out on something, seeing as how I'm reading it filtered through several articles. What was the context of the quote that I maybe misinterpreted?

"the open community needs to embrace closed and proprietary landmines"

Jaaksi notes that there are some important lessons that Nokia has learned from the open source community[1], such as the value of working upstream. Companies that are accustomed to proprietary development often tend to fork an open source project internally and then do a public code drop later in order to meet licensing obligations when they release a product. Working directly upstream with other contributors, he says, can prevent fragmentation and accelerate development.

Although he believes that companies need to adapt to and learn from the open source approach, he also thinks that the open source community should be more understanding of the challenges faced by companies and the reasons behind some their restrictive business practices.

"We want to educate open-source developers. There are certain business rules [developers] need to obey[2], such as DRM, IPR [intellectual property rights], SIM locks and subsidized business models," Jaaksi said, according to BusinessWeek. "Why do we need closed vehicles? We do. Some of these things harm the industry but they're here [as things stand]. These are touchy, emotional issues but this dialogue is very much needed. As an industry, we plan to use open-source technologies but we are not yet ready to play by the rules; but this needs to work the other way round too."

Originally Posted by allnameswereout

[1] Nokia is still learning from the open source model. Examples are then mentioned.

Originally Posted by allnameswereout

[2] Nokia asserts the open source community has to learn from proprietary model. In a proprietary model (or business model) you cannot just ship ffmpeg or mp3 decoder becaue you believe its useful to the user, or because its open source. You need a code review e.g. to search for copyright infringement, patent infringement, or EULA infringement (think w32codec here). I'm a Fluendo customer for this very reason. Then, examples are made.

What he essentially says, between the lines, is that neither Nokia or the open source community can change overnight, but we have to adapt and learn to each other. Sometimes that means making sacrifices instead of idealism. This is called being pragmatic, practical, something a negotiator knows very well.

An example for this is a SIM lock. This part cannot be open source because this lock is necessary in the current ecosystem. The way phones are sold demands this. I don't like this either, and the protection is laughable, but it exists. Nokia cannot afford to change this (overnight). If you don't like this behaviour I'd say that right now Nokia is not the right corporation to do business with.

Originally Posted by tso

was there not supposed to be a hdmi port as well?

sure, its still primary tv, but more and more tv's can do a nice job as a computer display these days. hell, the only thing really seperating them is that the tv is expected to have all these legacy inputs for other entertainment devices.

oh, and i distinctly recall svideo being present on say projectors

Originally Posted by danramos

Yeah, I've read as much--but at least the mindset in that organization is to start out as open as possible and try to work toward it. So far, I haven't heard anyone from the OpenPandora project come out to say that the community needs to learn to be more accepting of closed standards/architectures/software or any other other such closed-minded mentality such as DRM. So far, my impression is that the mentality there is a much more developer and consumer-friendly attitude that TOLERATES closed-minded IPR not EMBRACES it.

Originally Posted by Karel Jansens

Again, the chipset only has one digital video output port; Beagleboard uses it for HDMI, Pandora for its LCD. You cannot split or double the port, because interference will make it pretty much useless.

It may be a problem for some, but not for me: I'm more than pleased with S-video on a portable device; it's not as if I'm going to use it much anyway.