Because we are developing Maemo 5 with an UI and application framework that uses Clutter-based hardware graphics acceleration, it is not trivial to make the same code run on devices that do not have hardware-based graphics acceleration.

> > On Oct 27, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Urivan Saaib wrote:
>> >> I've been playing with Diablo on my n770 for several months. It has
>> >> been
>> >> fairly stable.
> >
> > No, you've been playing with Chinook. Diablo is not available for the
> > 770.

Well, this is a question I've meant to ask Quim for a while now, so here
is my opportunity. I've asked it here before without an answer, but some
threads on ITT have brought it back to light recently.

Despite the disparaging remarks by the Maemo team when OS2008HE came out
("end-of-the-line", "too much for the poor beast" etc.), quite a few
people (including me) are satisfied with it breathing a new life into
their old 770. Maemo Mapper in particular, a rare example of commitment
to maintaining a native maemo app on all NIT platforms, works just fine
on it.

The problem we are having now is that some recent apps, or their Diablo
upgrades, fail to install or run, although they could be really useful
on a home-bound 770 : to name a few, Canola, Maemo remote (which also
uses EFL), or liqbase...

So, before the Fremantle wave definitely buries the 770 platform (and
maybe the N8x0 too), it would be really good to see a final update
bringing the main Diablo improvements to OS2008HE, so that it can still
run the latest relevant apps.

Is there any chance this will happen ?

Not from Nokia's side. We rather invest our time in
http://wiki.maemo.org/Objective:Maemo_variants so whoever can come up
with customized editions at will.

Anybody interested in this objective (and removing the obstacles in the
way) please propose specific tasks and file specific bugs/requests.

About the rest of the thread, how useful is it to discuss before Nokia
publishes the maemo 5 API and announces a product shipping it? Enjoy
your current devices! Fremantle is not even in alpha. The N810 WiMAX
edition just started the sales few days ago (running the very same
software inside). No matter what happens with Fremantle the N800/N810
users are going to benefit from this.

-- Quim Gil marketing manager, open source Maemo Software @ Nokia

Originally Posted by pixelseventy2

Is anyone else getting as annoyed by the constant "fixed in fremantle" comments on bugzilla? OK, it's great that things are getting fixed, but that doesn't help us now, does it?

Originally Posted by pixelseventy2

We don't have a real ETA on fremantle, and we don't enough know for definite if it will be ported to the n800/n810. Best guesses are talking Q2 next year, so best case we're looking at 4 months to see these fixes.

Originally Posted by pixelseventy2

In some respects, that's even more annoying than not fixing bugs; at least if things aren't going to be fixed officially you can start to look for alternatives.

Originally Posted by pixelseventy2

The HTC Touch HD is here already, with a screen almost as good as the nokia's, 3G, GPS, etc... OK, so there's no hardware keyboard, and it runs winmo, but at least it's here now.

Originally Posted by pixelseventy2

At least with microsoft/apple you know that they're going to shaft you up-front (not that I'd EVER buy an apple product).

Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles

I don't know how long you've been involved in the Bugzilla game, but not getting a reply at all (which is typically how it worked) is way more irritating.

Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles

Sure, but it isn't using a Cortex A8, just another slow ARM11.