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Originally Posted by penguinbait
I don't have the time to respond in detail at the moment, but if you're interested in being involved in community issues you should subscribe to maemo-community, and if you're interested in seeing what the Council's up to, you should pay attention to Planet (more specifically, the council blog).
I am not trying to be overly negative, but as someone who has been here since what seems like the dawn of time, I am not clear what I am supposed to get from the Council or how I am supposed to interact with the council. I honestly never heard anything about council and was amazed we were voting for new council when I am not sure the old one actually did anything. And again maybe they did lots, but I am not seeing it communicated to the general public or if it is I am just not seeing it.
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2009-04-01
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Originally Posted by qole
(I fixed your link to March 09 Sprint above)
Yeah, that page is pretty cryptic to me too, I'm not sure why we should care about most of those tasks, and none of them look done, either. Well, except the election.
Also, Jaffa tried to plan the first sprint meeting of the new council, and we've already had two of the most important members of the, um, "paid side" of the team give "can't be there, but here's my report" responses.
So, yeah, I'm not sure what's going on, either.
Do you have something you want support for? Do you have topics you want representation on?
I guess I am looking for:
What the council is working on?
How can I give my input?
How can I get involved to help?
How can I request help? (what type of help can/should be requested)
Its just never really been clear to me. I understand the stated purpose, but I need a user manual???
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To all my Maemo friends. I will no longer be monitoring any of my threads here on a regular basis. I am no longer supporting anything I did under maemo at maemo.org. If you need some help with something you can reach me at tablethacker.com or www.facebook.com/penguinbait. I have disabled my PM's here, and removed myself from Council email and Community mailing list. There has been some fun times, see you around.
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2009-04-01
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Originally Posted by penguinbait
Most of this discussion (as GeneralAntilles stated) can be found by subscribing to maemo-community. (Here are the archives.)
I guess I am looking for:
What the council is working on?
How can I give my input?
How can I get involved to help?
How can I request help? (what type of help can/should be requested)
Its just never really been clear to me. I understand the stated purpose, but I need a user manual???
Tim
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2009-04-02
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Originally Posted by timsamoff
Thanks Tim, I appreciate the links, but I am asking for a little more.
Most of this discussion (as GeneralAntilles stated) can be found by subscribing to maemo-community. (Here are the archives.)
Tim
So Council, can we work on a Maemo Council portal, or wiki, or some front end to all the workings of the Maemo Council. How do I get that on the agenda?
I just feel like I am asking some simple questions and their seems not to be any simple answers. If you guys feel my request is not needed I guess ignore me. I am just saying if you want to get people involved, I think a better job could be done. Perhaps I just have a misexpectations of the council?
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To all my Maemo friends. I will no longer be monitoring any of my threads here on a regular basis. I am no longer supporting anything I did under maemo at maemo.org. If you need some help with something you can reach me at tablethacker.com or www.facebook.com/penguinbait. I have disabled my PM's here, and removed myself from Council email and Community mailing list. There has been some fun times, see you around.
To all my Maemo friends. I will no longer be monitoring any of my threads here on a regular basis. I am no longer supporting anything I did under maemo at maemo.org. If you need some help with something you can reach me at tablethacker.com or www.facebook.com/penguinbait. I have disabled my PM's here, and removed myself from Council email and Community mailing list. There has been some fun times, see you around.
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2009-04-02
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Originally Posted by penguinbait
Improvements to the council homepage are planned, and suggestions on what you'd like to see are welcome.
So Council, can we work on a Maemo Council portal, or wiki, or some front end to all the workings of the Maemo Council. How do I get that on the agenda?
There's also been the suggestion of communicating council "business" more vigorously via Twitter (#m.occ) and on the current Sprint page's "daily reporting" section.
I just feel like I am asking some simple questions and their seems not to be any simple answers.
If you guys feel my request is not needed I guess ignore me.
I am just saying if you want to get people involved, I think a better job could be done. Perhaps I just have a misexpectations of the council?
When Nokia ask "do you want us to sponsor another summit, and where?", the elected council (and this is a representative democracy - not asking for feedback on everything) will steer and advise based on their opinions - and the opinions of anyone else offered.
You don't need our permission to do anything, and the role of the council as facilitators means you might not notice when we do things (which is fine - this isn't about glory, it's about getting things done).
It should be pretty clear what the council does (see my explanations above). It may not be everything you want the council to do, or you may have questions about its value, but I think questions of what we actually do have been answered.
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2009-04-02
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#77
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Also, when the maemo-community list was created there were no plans for a talk.maemo.org. Now a possibility would be to move here the discussions held there.
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2009-04-02
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Originally Posted by qgil
We'd have to see, but, generally speaking, more of the involved people (paid—maemo.org, Nokians, Nemein—and otherwise) are on -community than itT. Relevant issues tend to get pushed to itT eventually, anyway.
Also, when the maemo-community list was created there were no plans for a talk.maemo.org. Now a possibility would be to move here the discussions held there.
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2009-04-02
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
A quick Google search turned up a script that claims to "scrape the archives of a MailMan list and convert to an RSS feed." Could that script or a similar one be implemented/adapted for Pipermail (Mailman edition), and if so, could a listing of recent threads from maemo-community be displayed in a sidebar on the talk.maemo.org main page? It might help the t.m.o main page become a one stop location for a quick overview of community discussion.
We'd have to see, but, generally speaking, more of the involved people (paid—maemo.org, Nokians, Nemein—and otherwise) are on -community than itT. Relevant issues tend to get pushed to itT eventually, anyway.
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2009-04-02
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Yes! What sjgadsby said! I have said before that the mailing lists and the forums need to be brought closer together somehow.
Ideally, I think users should be able to make forums that they select from t.m.o act like mailing lists. That is, any new posts to that forum are e-mailed to "mailing list subscribers" of that forum, and those users can reply to threads by e-mail.
Then we could simply merge t.m.o and the mailing lists completely.
We can do it! We have the technology!
Ideally, I think users should be able to make forums that they select from t.m.o act like mailing lists. That is, any new posts to that forum are e-mailed to "mailing list subscribers" of that forum, and those users can reply to threads by e-mail.
Then we could simply merge t.m.o and the mailing lists completely.
We can do it! We have the technology!
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Yeah, that page is pretty cryptic to me too, I'm not sure why we should care about most of those tasks, and none of them look done, either. Well, except the election. So by the only metric that we have, it looks like the maemo.org team isn't doing so well.
(EDIT: The activity logs and the task lists don't seem to have anything to do with each other, either. Why are the team members working on things that have nothing to do with the tasks listed above? And if they are related, shouldn't they reference the task that they are related to?)
Also, Jaffa tried to plan the first sprint meeting of the new council, and we've already had two of the most important members of the, um, "paid side" of the team give "can't be there, but here's my report" responses.
So, yeah, I'm not sure what's going on, either.
Do you have something you want support for? Do you have topics you want representation on?
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