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2009-05-10 , 09:37
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#21
Originally Posted by lemmyslender View Post
Based upon the above qoute, and others in this thread, can't the same logic be applied to OS2006? It's not really supported by Nokia any more is it? Do any tablets ship with it? Isn't it really an "alternative" OS at this point? Therefore, shouldn't i be moved into the alternative category?
The argumentation to consider OS2006 (an OS pre-installed in the 770) as an Alternative escapes to me, but if you want to propose this please start a new thread.

Along these lines shouldn't Maemo 1&2 in the Old, archived category be combined under something like "old OS's" as well. Obvoiusly, with appropriate stickies if anyone cares to do them.
The idea of Old is to put there everything deprecated nobody cares about anymore. If you want to push merges and stickies there, go for it. I prefer to invest my time making the active forums a better place. For instance, OS2008 or Applications are very active forums still waiting for a useful and informative sticky.

If fremantle has its' own category (it's not a released usable OS yet), shouldn't Mer (being highly supported by Nokia) get the same treatment?
Nobody questioned the usefulness of a Maemo 5 forum created already now to gather all the information and speculation around the Fremantle unstable releases. If you want to contest that go ahead with your proposal in a new thread.

The maintainers of Mer have expressed their will not to push for a Mer forum as for yet and they seem to be happy with the decisions done around the Alternative forum.

I hate to say it (I'm tired and crabby), but it seems we are discriminating against non-Nokia alternatives, despite this being a community owned site?
And I'm tired (but not crabby) of keeping posting the reasons why the decision was made and the solutions we could have for the users and developers around those alternatives if we weren't putting all this time discussing among ourselves (still no sticky in alternatives, still no wiki pages summarizing what 90% of alternative users are looking for).

I'm also tired of telling that I'm doing this as a community member in my free time. I'm the only one that happens to be a Nokia employee involved in this reorganization and the rest of the company is not even aware of these discussions. This is a community discussion and I'm part of it as community member. My contribution in this task is based in my experience as a user and administrator of web forums and communities alike, not in the fact that I work at Nokia.

Do you believe this or not? If not please let me know, it will make the discussion much easier.
 

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@qgil I firmly believe that you are here as a community member.

I am sure all the changes were discussed in the short thread here on the forums (and likely other places as well, which is part of the communication problem being discussed in other threads). I am sure there were very solid reasons for combining things as they are now.

I just keep seeing things like "amount of threads/traffic/etc". I look in the OS2006 group and see 1 sticky and 4 threads. I look at the KDE link and see 3 pages of threads? In my prevoius post, I was trying to point out that whatever the logic was, it is not apparent to a mere end-user.

As an end-user, it seems to me it would be easier to find information if it were its own group (at least for the more popular alternatives), as oppossed to stikies, wikis, and "blackmagic" searches. Although I'm only an end-user, Ihave a knack for finding issues that only a couple of people have had before, and typically doesn't make it to a sticy or wiki (not enough traffic )

*I am not a mailing-list/irc/prorammer/web site designer/forum maintainer/etc guru. So I don't pretend to follow all the logic involved in some of these decisions. I am just voicing my un-educated opinion.

*to avoid any confusion or corrections: I consider an end-user in this case to be someone who wants to push their device by boldly going where others have gone before Just getting a little more out of their device by standing on the shoulders of others.

That being said, I will as requested, kindly devote no further time to the subject.
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#23
Originally Posted by qgil View Post
...still no sticky in alternatives, still no wiki pages summarizing what 90% of alternative users are looking for...
I really am working on the sticky; can you expand the wiki statement? Guide me a bit? What did I miss? (Alternative OSes, desktops, emulators)

Do you mean some kind of FAQ for popular projects in Alternatives?
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#24
Originally Posted by lemmyslender View Post
I look in the OS2006 group and see 1 sticky and 4 threads. I look at the KDE link and see 3 pages of threads? In my prevoius post, I was trying to point out that whatever the logic was, it is not apparent to a mere end-user.
This is something weird. There were more than 4. The general menu say that there are "Threads: 158 | Posts: 1,111". Where can they be seen, I don't know. It's a bug.

But they seem to exist, see for instance http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=3776

Anyway, the fact is that there is the 770 and the OS pre-installed is the OS2006. This OS is not an alternative since it was developed by Nokia and you still need to go through EULA if you want to get it. You might consider that due to the lack of activity this is more of a candidate for the Old section. Your call. I'm personally fine having it there, just like the 770 forum, not very active either these days.


As an end-user, it seems to me it would be easier to find information if it were its own group (at least for the more popular alternatives), as oppossed to stikies, wikis, and "blackmagic" searches.
I claim end users go first to their preferred search engine and/or the search box in tmo. The web search engines prioritize the most popular pages and this is why it is important to have good wiki pages to point at as opposed to 14 page threads.

Let's try with the first use case penguinbait mentioned before: use the mouse.

Google: 1st result doesn't tell me how, nor the rest of the 1st page of results.

tmo: you don't think that in a KDE subforum a user would go scanning titles of threads one by one, don't you?

The best I could find with the advanced search is [KDE] Heres how to right click in KDE, but honestly from there I still can't see how a user would get anything clear.

Fail. I'm curious about your results trying out with the rest of main use cases mentioned.

Although I'm only an end-user, Ihave a knack for finding issues that only a couple of people have had before, and typically doesn't make it to a sticy or wiki (not enough traffic )
And this is why you surely make a good use of search engines.
 

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I really am working on the sticky; can you expand the wiki statement? Guide me a bit? What did I miss? (Alternative OSes, desktops, emulators)

Do you mean some kind of FAQ for popular projects in Alternatives?
You are the expert here. It would be great if each option would have at least one screenshot and one link to know more. Then if e.g. penguinbait wants to expand more on KDE he can just create the page and go in as much details as he wants.

Very good progress! Easy/Debian pages are also looking. Thank you for your work.

By the way, all this KDE stuff... isn't radically affected by the big change Qt has made in the Maemo context? When penguinbait started with the KDE hacks Qt was an alien for Maemo. Now apps like KOffice are available for Maemo with a hildonized UI and the Fremantle unstable releases are followed the same day by Qt bindings releases and even Forum Nokia produces a guide to develop Qt applications. Yes, I know Qt is not KDE but probably the average KDE lover interested in Maemo would like to know about all this, and currently there is no apparent link in the KDE info in tmo.
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Originally Posted by qgil View Post
- Android
- Debian
- KDE
- Mer
- Palm OS
etc

Any words on the original posts in the forum's, so I can update the tags, or do I have to use searches to recreate?

These links were not working? Is this just not available?
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http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...4&postcount=20
 
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http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...4&postcount=20
Yes I can search KDE in the title, I was just wondering if there was an actual list of what posts were in the original sub-forum.

If no thats OK, I am just wondering if that exists and can become available.

Sounds like no?
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I collected a bunch of palm apps with different classifications some time back. I do not remember the name of the title post and search cannot get it. I got it back by searching my own postings. I prefer, if possible, to continue the subclassifications. I am the one who post it and having difficulty to locate it, less mention the visitors dont even know such thing exist.

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I collected a bunch of palm apps with different classifications some time back. I do not remember the name of the title post and search cannot get it. I got it back by searching my own postings. I prefer, if possible, to continue the subclassifications. I am the one who post it and having difficulty to locate it, less mention the visitors dont even know such thing exist.

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It was one of the reasons I am asking, if a hacker forum should be made?

I am looking for an easier way to support things, which is why the community asked for the sub-forum to begin with. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=14991 and it even got your support bun

I will attempt to use the sticky's IMO this is not cool. There have been a lot of changes to the forum structure, and itt seems this is the only topic where people seem to be saying wait, really, can't we change this back.

Not change the entire structure of ITT back, but a few sub-forums under the Alternatives forum. Mostly smooth structure change, maybe we need to rethink this one TINY problem that could be easily fixed in my opinion.

lets make a poll
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