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2009-05-25 , 18:28
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#131
Originally Posted by Peter@Maemo Marketing View Post
What display size a device will have depends on the product concept (and no, we have not announced any product with Maemo 5).
It's unfortunate that Maemo's hardware division is so far from the community. They consistently make idiotic decisions about the hardware that goes against most of the use-cases existing users have.

Bad show, Nokia.
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#132
I'm not going to dignify the statement of MULF (not even with a quote in my reply), but I am going to say this: We are very committed to the community, but we will not stick to the Maemo 4 UI. If the Maemo 4 is a deal breaker for you, then I'm afraid we might loose you because we have redesigned the UI to appeal to more consumers including existing ones. This meant some compromises.
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#133
Originally Posted by Sorenzo View Post
DAMN ... I hate those leaks

@Textrat: I'm pretty sure that you are somehow pissed off that you do not work within Nokia anymore but that is no reason to reveal any specs or information either if it is new or old. This is really a slap in the face for all those other guys which are still working on these products and those guys are probably not responsible for your current Job situation.

To be honest, I really hope that someone( even it is TMO ) gets sued for this leak.
Let's be clear: as pissed off as I may be (and yes, I certainly am irritated at losing the best job I ever had and being out of work several months now), I do NOT support leaks. Heck, I don't even like intentional ones.

Maybe you weren't here when the N800 was leaked, but I was incensed. Our team was in the middle of launching it (I was working double time to get good devices to CES in the midst of a component quality crisis) and did not need the distraction.

I revealed nothing today that wasn't already revealed. And I agree my former employment may be seen as lending credence to certain revelations so I've usually been careful about the hints. In all bluntness when I comment on leaked info my goal has been to ground the discussion and keep it from going wild. I think for the most part that's happened.

I was taken to task today over the use of a certain word and perhaps I should have refrained. But do note that even in my most angry or despairing state I will NOT sell out my former fellow employees. There are things I know that I will flat not discuss. Perhaps that needs to be narrowed. No argument. : X
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#134
Originally Posted by mullf View Post
Since the specs we have have the hardware keyboard, accelermoter, 3G, and GPS, that implies it is the HIGHER end device. Would it make sense for the higher end device to have a smaller screen and the lower end device to have a bigger screen?
It might. It completely depends on what else goes into it.

Consider my suggestion for an N800 "refresh". Tweak just a very few things, and you get a "low end" and more importantly lower cost device with a larger screen than the flagship.

In fact I have no qualms against such a scenario at all.
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#135
For god's sake why cant some one confrim rx-71 and make my day. I havent been so frustrated for a while. I have exams and i need to concentrate on it. But nokia has pulled me so far into this wonderful device worlds and just threw me over the cliff.
 

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#136
Originally Posted by Peter@Maemo Marketing View Post
I'm not going to dignify the statement of MULF (not even with a quote in my reply), but I am going to say this: We are very committed to the community, but we will not stick to the Maemo 4 UI. If the Maemo 4 is a deal breaker for you, then I'm afraid we might loose you because we have redesigned the UI to appeal to more consumers including existing ones. This meant some compromises.
The UI? We could get any bloody UI we wanted on a new device thanks to the Mer team and Qole and PB, its the hardware that's the problem... we can't change that. Sigh.
 

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Originally Posted by sachin007 View Post
I am not sure how many of us do stuff without pressing the full screen button.... but for me the first thing i press if the app i am using is not in full screen is the full screen button. I have never used any app in the windowed mode. I am sure that many of the users are similar.
Yup, the single most important criterion of a small TS display device is how well does it compensate for the small screen compared to larger screen. This implies that the fullscreen/switch view and zooming paradigms for apps are paramount. I am concerned that Peter's comments and many others regarding the Maemo 5 UI relate to the layout of homescreen, taskbars or button size, important aspects yes, but not the most important IMHO.
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#138
Originally Posted by sachin007 View Post
Hey mara thanks for the info. But why call rx-51 a tablet.... it clearly is not one.
You are right... It is a bit too small for being a tablet...

Sorry about having such "old habit" calling these things...
 
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Originally Posted by Peter@Maemo Marketing View Post
Fair statement. The industrial design needs to be such that it supports the main use cases.
It has been my hope that the whole reason for opening the Maemo project to the public was to observe how people will use Maemo devices and deduce the main use cases from these observations. To me (personally) it seems to be a much better idea than mandating a bunch of use cases and forcing them onto potential users.

If reading books would be the main use case, I don't think 4 inch is the ideal resolution either.
Reading books is certainly one of the main use cases, if you take into account that FBReader has been downloaded 13652 times from maemo.org alone. And yes, 4.1" is definitely better than 3.5" for reading books.

What display size makes sense for watching movies is still undecided.
Again, while we do not know what display makes sense for watching movies, it seems to be a commonly held opinion that 4.1" is better for watching movies than 3.5".

The third use case I mentioned (web browsing) is officially the main use case for the current crop of internet tablets. As it also loses some experience quality from shrinking the display size, I can't help but wonder whether it is still among the main use cases for the upcoming device(s)?
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Originally Posted by Peter@Maemo Marketing View Post
we have redesigned the UI to appeal to more consumers including existing ones.
You mean your redesigned the UI to appeal to more consumers including SOME OF THE existing ones. Be precise.
 

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