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2009-06-27
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Originally Posted by zerojay
Hey Jay, good to see you!
I can see the pics just fine.
Figure 3a with the top and bottom slide out which was called "useless" has already been used on previous Nokia phones though the model name escapes me (I seem to remember the one I came across having arabic keys on the keyboard as well as qwerty). The idea is that you would slide out the "wings" and hold it in landscape mode so that your hands would be holding the phone by the wings, giving you the keyboard for use with your thumbs.
Yeah, it's not too great.
There were a few models that did what you describe, one being the E70. My youngest son and one niece received 2 from me some time back and they love them-- the niece wore the letters off of hers through texting and could still type like the wind!
IMO one of the best form factors from Nokia, and so underused...
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2009-06-27
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Originally Posted by mullf
Rumor has it that by next year the company will be wholly separate. Seimens has already been distancing themselves in press releases...
Nokia owns part of it, and Siemens owns part of it. So it is not a "completely different company".
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2009-06-27
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Originally Posted by Texrat
Yeah, when I was still considering a phone that would just be a voice+sms device, with no real web browsing capability, I very much wished for an AT&T or T-Mobile-USA 3G version of the E70.
Hey Jay, good to see you!
There were a few models that did what you describe, one being the E70. My youngest son and one niece received 2 from me some time back and they love them-- the niece wore the letters off of hers through texting and could still type like the wind!
IMO one of the best form factors from Nokia, and so underused...
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2009-06-27
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aaarrrrg.... just ignore.. haven't read the last pages...
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2009-06-27
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Originally Posted by johnkzin
1. E70 has pretty decent web browsing capability, for its time.
Yeah, when I was still considering a phone that would just be a voice+sms device, with no real web browsing capability, I very much wished for an AT&T or T-Mobile-USA 3G version of the E70.
2. You could just buy the damn phone for $300-$400.
3. I am still using my E70, as Nokia has not released a better phone so far. Unfortunately, it is very slow by today's standards. OMAP850 and 48MB RAM just don't cut it nowadays
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2009-06-28
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Originally Posted by fms
1. E70 has pretty decent web browsing capability, for its time.
2. You could just buy the damn phone for $300-$400.
3. I am still using my E70, as Nokia has not released a better phone so far. Unfortunately, it is very slow by today's standards. OMAP850 and 48MB RAM just don't cut it nowadays
1) regardless of "for its time" (I don't care about "for its time", I care about "can it do what I want/need"), I found the internet capabilities of that generation of nokia phones to be entirely sub-par.
2) My E61i was cheaper than that. My G1 was cheaper than that. I don't see the value in paying that much for a "just voice+sms" device, when my "voice+sms+internet" device costs less.
3) whether or not Nokia has released a better phone, other companies have. And, more importantly, since then I realized that I wanted more than just a voice+sms device. I don't want to carry two pocketables.
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2009-06-28
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Originally Posted by aironeous
That, combined with e-ink displays on the keys, could be quite useful. (samsung is doing that on their new dual flip phone, the Alias 2, so that the keys display different legends based on which way you open the display)
Figure 7a through 7d has two swivel arms attached to the full qwerty keyboard underneath that let the keyboard rotate into both landscape and portrait positions.
In 7c it would have qwerty, in 7d it would have a 12 key arrangement (with any other necessary keys).
In fact, that would be an amazing thing for Nokia to do if they're not going to do a 5 row keyboard: have the keys use e-ink to change what they're displaying based on the current mode, that way there's no guessing about what you're really putting into that password field, etc.. Then you could even avoid having pop-up menus for special keys when the keyboard is deployed -- just adjust the keyboard display.
I just don't know what they key ergonomics are like with e-ink on the caps. Hopefully you can still make a decent key to put the e-ink on top of.
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Originally Posted by benny1967
Yes, I have an S40 phone, though mine was a bit more than 40EUR. Can't wait for the N900 so I can get rid of it.
oh... don't you have a phone? mine does that really well for me. (because it doesn't have a touch screen but is entirely controlled by a d-pad and 2 additional buttons, which makes it ideal for 1-thumb mobile use.)
Seriously, while my phone likes to think it can handle my gmail (both with a built-in mail client, and through the browser), it does a very poor job; but that's to be expected, as I selected a phone for two roles: tethering an N800, and making phone calls. And given my monthly call volume, it'd be almost as accurate to say I don't have a phone, I have a BT/GSM modem shaped like a phone.
If I wanted to check email on a phone, I'd have gotten a smartphone that could do it properly. I see no sense tolerating the insanely limited capabilities to save toting (how much is it?) a half pound of tablet, and I see no sense buying a more expensive smartphone just so it can do competently what my tablets already do better.
As for one-thumb mobile use, an N810 in portrait mode nearly accomplishes that. inconvenienced only by the hidden d-pad.. It probably would be hard to use while jogging (per geneven's original quote), but neither walking nor cycling poses any problem. (Although I curtail its use while actually underway, that's just to keep two hands on the bars; the interface is fine, and when I need to check maps or want to adjust music, I can and do use it thus.)
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oh... don't you have a phone? mine does that really well for me. (because it doesn't have a touch screen but is entirely controlled by a d-pad and 2 additional buttons, which makes it ideal for 1-thumb mobile use.)