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Originally Posted by YoDude
Hmmm... I don't know. Do you have numbers?
because of the dismal support collateral provided by Nokia for the tablets in the past, just about every NIT user visited ITT... if only out of necessity.
I know two NIT owners (my cousin and a former coworker) who love their out-of-the-box tablets and have never been here (or itT). Sure, that's not a lot, but if we all knew two...
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Originally Posted by timsamoff
Ditto, I know at least three.
I know two NIT owners (my cousin and a former coworker) who love their out-of-the-box tablets and have never been here (or itT). Sure, that's not a lot, but if we all knew two...
There's a collective arrogance that ITT/tmo is the place where every NIT owner goes and knows that's prevalent here. If nothing else, there are lots of non-English Maemo websites with users who never come here.
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I know my brother and sister--in-law have N810's and they don't come to this site. I installed a couple of programs when the first got them after seeing mine (Canola, mplayer, etc..). Setup modest to pull their email and they have never looked back. I imagine only 30% of tablet owners have ever come to this site. Not saying this isn't a good site, but most casual users buy things for the out of the box experience. If it suites their needs they keep it, if not it is returned.
Most issues discussed on this site are for enthusiasts not typical end users.
Most issues discussed on this site are for enthusiasts not typical end users.
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
My extrapolator was much more exacting:
Sure we can, there's a reason Nokia decided against backporting Diablo, and it has nothing to do with Qt: hardware. Based on that we can extrapolate most of the necessary information about that to determine Harmattan's likelihood of running on Fremantle hardware.
A Nokia maintained Harmattan OS will not run on an n900.
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Originally Posted by timsamoff
I would have agreed; if the developers actually delivered something regularly for the platform.
After reading this thread, I can only summarize what has already been said (sort of). This is really a developer discussion and could never be a user discussion.
They didn't. They waited for the fixes, they're coming in Fremantle. Those fixes will be temporary, on it's way to Harmattan.
It has more to do with user perception simply because the developers didn't do **** this iteration and are going to be limited in the next iteration.
As a developer, I had to wait for Adobe Flex to go from headache 1.0/1.01 to semi-usable 1.5 to worthwhile 2.0, quickly replaced with 3.0 and presently beta-testing 4.0 and not finding myself looking backwards.
Yet, I had to deliver each and every step. Is my view skewed? Of course. But to push any type of discussions under the rug with blanket, self-fulfilling statements like "it's a developer problem", "it'll make sense in the future", "you'll change your mind with the press releases"... seriously. That's a call of faith.
No prior product or support to have faith in, that creates bad perception... by developer and user alike.
Only fanboys and hopefuls will fall into line. And to treat skeptics with such disregard... alarming. Each view is worth discussion.
Sorta what a forum is all about. Seems like a few of you people want no discussion, just a group of sheep instead.
Again, perception.
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Originally Posted by timsamoff
Hmmm... I don't know. Do you have numbers?
I know two NIT owners (my cousin and a former coworker) who love their out-of-the-box tablets and have never been here (or itT). Sure, that's not a lot, but if we all knew two...
Tim
Wow... and the heads go into the sand once again.
If we all knew 2 then Nokia would have something now wouldn't they?
BTW, did these 2 own a tablet before the seamless software update? Did they ever re-flash? How many of your conversations with them involve the question "How do I (insert NIT subject here)..."?
I am not trying to start a pissing contest here and whatever numbers I might use are meaningless with out context but there are only 474 apps here >> http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/
Even if each project had 5 individual and distinct team members, that is only 2370 developers total.
I believe there are quite a few more members here than 2400 and unless we are all involved in projects that haven't been developed before, one could argue that what remains are users. In fact I would argue we are all everyday, run of the mill device users first and developers, bon vivants, and/or hangers on second.
Over the past 2 and a half years my NIT has developed into a useful tool that I use everyday. I have no complaints.
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So since I don't know not one other person that owns a NIT, how does that factor in?
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I can only speak to my father, but...
Chinook Bora, and he's not spoken of any trouble.
Yes, to Chinook and then Diablo. He didn't mention any problems; he only said he liked the updated look and enhanced performance.
None. He bought his tablet for web browsing and email at coffee shops, and he seems happy enough using it for that. He didn't want to carry a notebook, and he didn't want the small screen and large monthly cost of a smartphone.
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Originally Posted by YoDude
Yes. He's had an N800 since
...own a tablet before the seamless software update?
Did they ever re-flash?
How many of your conversations with them involve the question "How do I (insert NIT subject here)..."?
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Originally Posted by YoDude
No, as has been said before (talking about head in the sand . . . we've got a bad case of fingers in ears here
Unless Nokia plans on providing additional channels of support for Fremantle/Harmattan, that won't change. Except now they/we will be coming to maemo.org instead.
), maemo.nokia.com will be the place for regular users to go for support.
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While I agree that "thinking that all of this is a big deal for end-users (the larger market of end-users, not just us) is wrong" and that this is really a developer discussion... because of the dismal support collateral provided by Nokia for the tablets in the past, just about every NIT user visited ITT... if only out of necessity.
Unless Nokia plans on providing additional channels of support for Fremantle/Harmattan, that won't change. Except now they/we will be coming to maemo.org instead.