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2009-08-06 , 16:16
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Originally Posted by ysss View Post
And there seems to be some sort of animosity to having commercial success or being 'mainstream'.
Some people are just happy to not be mainstream. That's fine if your numbers are enough to keep your product going.

But that's rarely the case.
 
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2009-08-06 , 16:22
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Yup.

They associate being a commercially successful mainstream product to:
- dumbing down of products
- having no real 'merits'
- it's a no no for a big company to reap commercial success off of their 'open source' or 'open standard' thingamajig.

Then they're doomed from the start.
 
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2009-08-06 , 16:30
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Originally Posted by sunwong View Post
Yes It may be popular, It also is here but only since It is being offered almost for free on 24 month contracts and such..
I don't think being able to offer your product for low price is inherently bad as long as it is sustainable for you as a company. If Nokia can produce 5800s more efficiently than Apple can iPhones, why wouldn't they sell them bundled with operator contract with no money up front?
 
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2009-08-06 , 16:39
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Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
Some people are just happy to not be mainstream. That's fine if your numbers are enough to keep your product going.

But that's rarely the case.
It's a question of choice. It's better to rule in a small market than be a loser in mainstream. If you're good at doing both niche and mainstream products, then do both (diversify).
 
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2009-08-06 , 16:52
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Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
That government is looking for any/all scapegoats right now.

Regardless... what kills me is that it seems that there are people that just seemingly love S60 as it stands and complaints about the UI are defended - in regards to the prior modern OS/UI argument - to the death (hyperbole); but even that is about to change something fierce just for Qt to fit in Symbian... so that alone tells me that the UI isn't the strong point right now for those devices.

I've used an N97. It has a very nice UI, but it's very inconsistent. And honestly, it looks rather dated. Utilitarian even. The 5800 will not persuade me against the iPhone or any other HTC SenseFlo enabled Android phone either.

Very technical people tend to center around the bits that... well, are visually pleasing to people. Going by the stereotypes, Linux users have epic hate for Flash. Linux users love the black and white terminal, yet shun UI's that are considered flashy and "pretty". Sure, that's going to open the door for people to talk about how the iPhone is all flash/fashion... but it's based on the BSD kernel. Pre has Linux under it. Lord people, embrace the fact that the UI does indeed make or break the item. And an inconsistent UI has no excuses in this day and age.

And looking at the prior Linux based handhelds, OpenMoko, et al... the user interface is part of the OS and it enhances the OS stability below.

But as a programmer that also has a design degree; I would never let any group of programmers and/or engineers develop the UI nor ergonomics of an UI. Over-complicated UI's don't belong on something as simple as a phone.

Make it simple, it might become mainstream.
Agreed an inconsistent UI has no excuses in this day and age.... and so is the lack of multitasking. I will not consider the iphone as a smart phone until it has multi-tasking.
 
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2009-08-06 , 17:26
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I'm not going to say much more other than there is a lot of room for improvement in ongoing support, UI and product recognition.

I had an N97 in my hand for three days. It was largely an unknown model - and I was in one of the ten biggest cities in the US.

Nokia is looking more like Motorola per day. Out of touch and rehashing things that will be long forgotten.
 

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2009-08-06 , 17:28
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Agreed an inconsistent UI has no excuses in this day and age.... and so is the lack of multitasking. I will not consider the iphone as a smart phone until it has multi-tasking.
Why do you think Apple didn't enable full multi-tasking for a computer dressed up as a phone? Did they do it just because? I'm guessing they're rewriting Darwin's scheduler as we speak to do their best at controlling an unknown rogue process. If perception is king, then UI hiccups and freezing have to be minimized or eliminated. Under certain conditions, I can switch applications faster on my iPod touch than I can on my n8x0. And I would guess the standard deviation time delta of app switching on the touch is smaller than on the n8x0.
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Apple would rather leave a feature out entirely than have it run poorly or expose the overall experience to unnecessary risk.
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2009-08-06 , 17:42
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Why do you think Apple didn't enable full multi-tasking for a computer dressed up as a phone? Did they do it just because? I'm guessing they're rewriting Darwin's scheduler as we speak to do their best at controlling an unknown rogue process. If perception is king, then UI hiccups and freezing have to be minimized or eliminated. Under certain conditions, I can switch applications faster on my iPod touch than I can on my n8x0. And I would guess the standard deviation time delta of app switching on the touch is smaller than on the n8x0.
There is something called choice. If you want a lag free experience you can open one application at a time... that is your choice, who is apple to tell us what to do and what not. May be you can switch applications faster than the n800... but i prefer replying to an im while listening to internet radio and browsing the web!
 

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@daperl: it still doesn't replace (true) multitasking though, having to suspend\resume (if implemented by the app) whatever tasks you have to leave behind.

But yeah, it seems they've choosen a (semi) non multitasking implementation in favor of performance and lower power consumption. It's apparent the 2G\3G was operating at its limit just by jailbreaking it and running skinning app or one or two 3rd party background app\widgets. The slowdown is very apparent that way.

Not so with 3GS.. now they've no excuses not to implement multitasking in OS4.0. Well, the battery drain is still ridiculous... we'll see about that.
 
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