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2009-08-25
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Originally Posted by ColdFusion
I think the relevant points here are that the buyer:
Well you can't drive a car without a drivers license. And you can't excuse it by saying "I just need the car to get to work, I didn't know it had this steering wheel and brakes and all that complicated stuff!"
a). Bought from a name that she trusted (ie: Dell)
b). That Dell recommended Ubuntu with said product from that web page that she bought it from (flashed briefly in the news reel).
if you don't know about Linux, then you surely wouldn't know what to ask about it. You'd probably just ask if you can perform the normal tasks with it, which the answer be "Yes, but...<very long and detailed technical answers to follow>.
Linux hasn't been in the public's radar before this, so people (90% of the mass, the non poweruser) never had to care what OS is on their non Apple computers that they're buying. Cause they're getting Windows with it.
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2009-08-25
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Originally Posted by ysss
So just because the answer is long and technical I should blame the product, because I didn't listen after the "it's cheaper, and you could perform your normal tasks if..."?
if you don't know about Linux, then you surely wouldn't know what to ask about it. You'd probably just ask if you can perform the normal tasks with it, which the answer be "Yes, but...<very long and detailed technical answers to follow>.
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2009-08-25
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Originally Posted by ysss
Since we're using cars as an analogy, none of the following are considered valid thinking:
then you surely wouldn't know what to ask about it.
- I didn't know the Ferrari couldn't carry a piano, therefore I should get my money back.
- I didn't know the Ferrari isn't supposed to carry a piano, so the dealer should pay for the damages to the car due to my having transported a piano on/in it.
- I didn't know the dump truck couldn't pull a tight corner at 80MPH, therefore I shouldn't have to pay for the damages my crash caused.
- I didn't have a drivers license, therefore I shouldn't be arrested for running people over. After all, I didn't know anything about the right way to drive.
- I don't know anything about brakes in a car, so I shouldn't be prosecuted for negligent homicide just because my car's ill/never maintained brakes failed and I ran over that person.
Ignorance is not an excuse for poor decision making. It does not earn you a free lunch, nor a get out of jail free card ... nor should it earn you anyone's sympathy.
She didn't know it wasn't suited for the task for which she was buying it? She doesn't deserve any more sympathy for that than the idiot trying to transport a piano with a Ferrari.
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2009-08-25
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#225
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If you want to call someone idiot for being ignorant, the least you could do is not propagate nor expand upon a bad analogy.
Those car analogies don't work in the first place and you're putting on physics related examples that is far too obvious and doesn't represent this situation well enough (piano in a ferrari, etc).
Fact of the matter is that most people 'out there' don't care as much about computers as most people here do. So all the subtleties and technicalities that are obvious to us are 'unimportant, uninteresting and ignorable' for them.
I'm not gonna judge them. I only see them as potential users
Those car analogies don't work in the first place and you're putting on physics related examples that is far too obvious and doesn't represent this situation well enough (piano in a ferrari, etc).
Fact of the matter is that most people 'out there' don't care as much about computers as most people here do. So all the subtleties and technicalities that are obvious to us are 'unimportant, uninteresting and ignorable' for them.
I'm not gonna judge them. I only see them as potential users
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2009-08-25
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#226
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Dismissing users due to their lack of knowledge is not the best way of gaining them.
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2009-08-25
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Originally Posted by JayOnThaBeat
Yes, all cars have gears. And you can make it off the lot in first gear. I didn't choose this analogy anyway.
That's a terrible analogy. You would realize that it wasn't automatic before you even made it off the lot!
Also, don't all cars have gears?
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2009-08-25
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Much as I dislike Windows, I recall all the whinging on ITT about how people wanted to sync their calendars and mail from Outlook... Apple worked with MS to make that happen with Entourage, no way will MS let Linux do that. (Evolution is not really there yet)
I won't buy one until someone has a linux port for it, but I know I'm in the minority. Most people want what they are used to and which will run the things their friends give them in the way they expect.
What's in the way of a Linux port? We can hope there are no binary blobs for wireless or 3G for example...
How long will it take to port a suitable distro to this thing?
I won't buy one until someone has a linux port for it, but I know I'm in the minority. Most people want what they are used to and which will run the things their friends give them in the way they expect.
What's in the way of a Linux port? We can hope there are no binary blobs for wireless or 3G for example...
How long will it take to port a suitable distro to this thing?
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2009-08-25
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I'm not sure if it's U.S. federal law, but the car analogy would fail in California because the buyer has to beware when purchasing an automobile. If you want your money back after you drive off the lot you have to use the legal system.
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2009-08-25
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I believe the car analogy originated from an european citizen. Also, it did not prove any major point so can we please start using the horse and carriage analogy now?
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Last edited by JayOnThaBeat; 2009-08-25 at 06:40.