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2009-09-01 , 15:57
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#61
Media Player, for audio you have consistent reasonings and you are encouraged to post your ideas to the Brainstorm. Video is a secondary case since most users will want to see them taking as much display resolution as possible (usually landscape).

Someone has mentioned controls of the media application through hardware keys and what consequences this have for portrait mode (see also http://maemo.org/community/brainstor...n_when_locked/ ). You can control the volume with +/- keys even with the display locked. For more complex operations, the system actually assumes that you have headphones with such keys integrated and much more reachable than a device in your pocket.
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...The driver of the Washington DC train was not at fault, as a matter of fact she is a hero. Please get your facts correct when making such damaging statements, thank you...
First off, I didn't report anything as a "fact" and the only statement I made was... "I'm not sure it is a good idea for a manufacturer to promote one handed operation of a smart phone."

I gave an opinion about future, popular perceptions based upon what is currently being reported in the news. I gave links to simple Google searches that I made to support my opinion.
As is often the case with some, if an opinion is contrary to theirs, they will find a way to change the conversation to one that they have prepared talking points for.

My opinion was not based on any belief in a Utopia or even a new world order. In fact I actually stated that.. "I don’t agree with this, but it happens".

I posted that
In both cases a possible cause stated was "operator distracted while text messaging". Although the investigations are not complete or may be found inconclusive, perhaps enough attention has been given to texting as a possible cause...
No where did I even say that I believed this was Nokia's intent. In a subsequent post I said "The fact that portrait mode would require a little effort on the users part or need a third parties involvement may, in the future prove prudent"

...again an opinion different than yours.

Lets recap shall we?

How do my above, highlighted (in bold) words add up to a statement of fact?

(A rhetorical question. Please don't answer. I concede, you win. I get the message.)

Edit: Corrected user name... sorry ysss
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#63
Originally Posted by qgil View Post
Hildon, basically a GTK+ extension, stays stable through the Fremantle maintenance releases. Harmattan will come with a framework based on Qt, as announced.

If there is a community project willing to bring Hildon further to Harmattan times, that is another story.

And before you ask Harmattan will support portrait mode in the way that makes more sense based on our UI vision and the feedback received from Maemo 5 users, our usability studies etc.
Thanks for the answer!

Playing around a bit with a friend's N97, I found why I am personally so worried about one handed use in portrait mode: because holding the device that way allows me to have it safely nested in my hand, and operate it only with my thumb.

I guess that a form factor a la Palm Pre is not in the works? *dreams*
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First off, I didn't report anything as a "fact" and the only statement I made was...
How did my username get into that quote??
 
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Originally Posted by YoDude View Post
First off, I didn't report anything as a "fact" and the only statement I made was... "I'm not sure it is a good idea for a manufacturer to promote one handed operation of a smart phone."

I gave an opinion about future, popular perceptions based upon what is currently being reported in the news. I gave links to simple Google searches that I made to support my opinion.
As is often the case with some, if an opinion is contrary to theirs, they will find a way to change the conversation to one that they have prepared talking points for.

My opinion was not based on any belief in a Utopia or even a new world order. In fact I actually stated that.. "I don’t agree with this, but it happens".

I posted that

No where did I even say that I believed this was Nokia's intent. In a subsequent post I said "The fact that portrait mode would require a little effort on the users part or need a third parties involvement may, in the future prove prudent"

...again an opinion different than yours.

Lets recap shall we?

How do my above, highlighted (in bold) words add up to a statement of fact?

(A rhetorical question. Please don't answer. I concede, you win. I get the message.)
YoDude I never posted an opinion on the portrait mode subject nor do I care about it.

What you posted ¨...recently there was a Washington DC subway accident that killed 9. In both cases a possible cause stated was "operator distracted while text messaging.." is incorrect. Metro (who is part of the official investigation team) never release such a statement. Yes it was stated by whomever but it was not true. For anyone to quote/print statements that has no facts to support it I feel is acting reckless.

That driver died trying to stop that train. That is a fact. YoDude there is no more I have to say on this.

Sorry people for hijacking this tread.
 
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How did my username get into that quote??
1000 apologies ysss, I was trying to multitask before leaving the desktop to run an errand earlier... I was pro'ly quoting you in another window and mixed them up somehow.
 

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And before you ask Harmattan will support portrait mode in the way that makes more sense based on our UI vision and the feedback received from Maemo 5 users, our usability studies etc.
Thanks for that info Quim. Great ! Full system wide landscape support - where everything works correctly (and not half-baked) would be damned good.

And I presume this is because QT has very good UI auto-adjustments using its layout widgets.
 
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For more complex operations, the system actually assumes that you have headphones with such keys integrated and much more reachable than a device in your pocket.
Ah, so multi-button headsets are finally supported :-)
 
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Might be just me, but... terminal in portrait mode ?
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Web browsing ?
I usually process list, read lists, create lists. Even in terminal, so portrait mode would be useful for me. For web browsing - there *are* people who create proper web sites which are readable in 480px + with "div oriented zooming" it should be easy to zoom on longer article on, say, news.bbc and leave navigation on the sides concentrating on real content.
 

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YoDude I never posted an opinion on the portrait mode subject nor do I care about it.

What you posted ¨...recently there was a Washington DC subway accident that killed 9. In both cases a possible cause stated was "operator distracted while text messaging.." is incorrect. Metro (who is part of the official investigation team) never release such a statement. Yes it was stated by whomever but it was not true. For anyone to quote/print statements that has no facts to support it I feel is acting reckless.

That driver died trying to stop that train. That is a fact. YoDude there is no more I have to say on this.

Sorry people for hijacking this tread.
heavyt is correct.

I did not read the individual Google results until this was pointed out. The searches were made to support my memory that there were multiple incidents with one occurring recently. The DC incident that I referred to was not text related.

The more recent of the two text related train incidents that I was searching for actually occurred in Boston. My apologies to heavyt and anyone who may have been offended by that post.
 
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